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# Episode 10 Holding your own

**Speaker 0:** Tom Torero, podcast number 10. Hello. Hello. This time, not on my own, with a special guest who I will introduce in a minute. A long time daygamer and a very good friend of mine. Anyway, this podcast is all about something I've spoken of many times before, but I think it needs a bit of clarification. Because the community answer to this well known problem, I don't think gives as much detail as needed. So, when I was chatting to my good mate, who's in the room right now, funnily enough, he had a story from his last date and the history of this date that fits exactly into this category. And that category is princess behavior. So a very powerful, strong framed girl, maybe that's on the street, maybe that's over text, but more likely, you're going to see this kind of icy behavior from quote unquote high value girls, pretty girls, beautiful girls on the first date or the second date. And obviously, I always give the example of Russian girls, ice princesses, ice queens, and the fact that you have to hold your own. I think it's David Daydah, way of the superior man. He says, the man is the tree and the woman is the little squirrel running around the tree. And she needs that man to be solid. So we're not having a go at girls. We're certainly not being misogynistic and saying, they need to be crushed. They need to be punished. No, it's expected, and it's a bit like a spoiled child, you might say, that you could blame the parent. So a really hot girl, a girl that's displaying princess behavior, she's ultimately just seeing if you're a man or a mouse. And it comes down to what is frame control. Now, here's the puzzle. Usually, for frame control, what's the answer? People say, be non reactive. So just let it all wash over you. And that's all well and good, but if you've ever been on a date with a madam, you'll know that that's not an easy thing to do. Even over texts or even on the street initially, that's not a good fit an easy thing to do. It's a bit like being in a classroom with a naughty child. Yeah. You could stand there and let the naughty child kick off, but there's gotta be more. So ladies and gentlemen, if there are ladies listening, let me introduce you to my good friend and 11 old daygamer,

**Speaker 1:** mister a. Alright, mister a. Hi. Yeah. I'm very well. Thanks, Tom. Thanks for inviting me onto the podcast. I think probably the first thing I should say is that it was more like a tiger than a squirrel. She was a particularly lively character is a lively character. She's not dead. No, no.

**Speaker 0:** But yeah, love, Mr. A sent me this picture describing the date and it was just one picture and it was a man riding a tiger. And then I sent you on back of a man having his head in a lion's mouth. And that's what kicked off this podcast idea, really. Can you can you the guys need a backstory on this girl and the daygame. Can you summarize that? Yeah. Okay. Just quick just quickly.

**Speaker 1:** This is a girl I I actually met for six months ago in a shop where she was working. I then took her out for a short date. Then we went out on a proper date, this was six months ago, and I did something a bit crazy. I'd only just sort of started getting into my strive daygame six months ago. I'm a newbie, really, for eleven months of experience. And I blew I crashed and burned the date about forty minutes in. I actually said, I don't think we have anything in common, and that created a massive row. She accused me of wanting to get her back that night and have sex with her. I said, yes. I think I was trying to do that. She marched off, but not before giving me her saying that she could text me. Anyway, wind the clock on six months because it went nowhere after that. And I sent out a New Year's invite and she responded. I was surprised. I wrote the invite in Polish, gave it a sort of slightly personal touch, And she responded, she came out on the date. It's only, actually five days since we went out on this date. And what happened what follows thereafter

**Speaker 0:** is I mean, I've never been through an experience quite like it, to be fair. We had an inkling that she was gonna be like this, obviously, because six months ago, she must have displayed some kind of feisty behavior for you to wobble a little bit. And what you did, you know, a little bit of freaking out and walking off, but I like the fact that you were quite sexual and you had a bit of a route because we'll come on to why that might be good in a minute. You were reactive essentially six months ago. So what what did she do six months ago that made you wobble a little bit?

**Speaker 1:** I think she was so blunt. So I I she one of the first things she said when we sat down for a couple of drinks at the pub, I'd arranged a a pub near my house Good. Was that shirt's too small for you. I remember that was one of the first cracks you had at me. Classic. Classic. Classic. Yeah. Shit test, they call it in game.

**Speaker 0:** But, you know, I don't I I keep saying I don't like the word shit test because it implies it's they're doing it on purpose. A lot of this is subconscious. And she That's a classic test. She was testing you, wasn't she? I suppose looking back on it, she was sort of challenging me sexually.

**Speaker 1:** I learned enough about game to, you know, spice it up and keep it interesting. And the first thing that I said to upon her see, I mean, that could I just say that I've never been out with a girl quite so hot in my life? Whatever. I don't know hot means exactly, but to me, she was tall. She was blonde. She was leggy. She was beautiful. She is beautiful. I keep talking about in the past tense. Poor girl. Yeah. But but but back then, it was a bit of a a a was. And the bar was just people had parted around her. She stood at the bar when I arrived at the pub. And the first thing I said to her was thanks for coming in shoes that match my eyes because she's wearing, like, these ridiculous turquoise high heels. Was she on time six months ago? She was actually early. Okay. In a kind of a slightly she she said she was she texted me to say she was gonna be late, and then she turned up early.

**Speaker 0:** Well, anyway, the real gold for for guys listening to explain this concept of holding your own, not just being nonreactive,

**Speaker 1:** is what happened five days ago on date number, we can call it date number two really, can't we? Yeah, on The second real date. Yeah, the first date was just a little shopping trip that was just fun and stupid, but no, it wasn't So a proper

**Speaker 0:** if we're thinking about it in terms of this tiger, having a bit of a test, having a bit of a growl and we should add as well that because you kind of stormed off at the end of that first real date, this could explain some of the initial behavior that she had five days ago. But anyway, can you talk us through all the drama that happened five days ago?

**Speaker 1:** Okay. Well, I've I mean, setting up the date on the day, I have to say that to her credit, this girl's very direct and candid. But I found that quite actually quite refreshing because she doesn't play around. Anyway, but on the day in question, she did because we were she was constantly moving the time of the date, so I suggested 06:00. She said, can't you make it any earlier? I said, no. She then text me back. This is all during the course of the afternoon of the date, the day of the date. I then texted to say, well, look. You know, when can you make this? I I said I I then was quite, sort of direct. I said, fine. 06:00 at the wine bar and gave her the the details of the wine bar. I checked my phone a couple of hours later to discover I I was assuming she would have just said okay. I checked my phone two hours later, and she said, that's too far from me. Yeah. Can't we meet in Mayfair?

**Speaker 0:** So it's classic in game terms, it's classic frame control. So she's having a go. She's just seeing if you're man or a mouse, how much you're gonna budge, how much you're gonna, pander to her whims. Because we should point out this girl seems to be used to being dated by wealthy guys. She leads quite, I imagine, in some senses, a glamorous lifestyle, and she's used to guys that are a pushover. She's,

**Speaker 1:** you know, a self confident, attractive girl. She told me on the date that guys on New Year's Eve were setting her up with ice buckets full of champagne. Yeah. Provide a game. So so but it it felt a bit like I didn't feel angry about it, but it it was a bit like a horse that kicks out. Yeah. It's kind of how it felt. Good description. Yeah. And I felt that e and the funny thing was she then actually told me she had a job interview that late that afternoon. And therefore, she actually put the whole date back to the time that I'd originally suggested.

**Speaker 0:** So as we it's it's a And then turned up late thirty by thirty minutes. Yeah. Classic. It's it's like when you're pulling in a fish, reeling in the fish, the last bit is when the fish starts flapping like mad, having a real go. But instinctively, guy would say, well, this looks terrible. You know, this is gonna be a car crash date. This must be what she's like all the time. But one of those weird counterintuitive things in game is that if you recognize what this girl is doing, and we'll come on to what you did in a second, it can work in your favor. Very that's a very weird idea certainly for a beginner that shit tests, if you wanna call them that, are a chance to show yourself as a as an alpha male. Yeah? Yeah. I felt that

**Speaker 1:** I actually ended up really enjoying the day because I felt she brought out the best in me. She actually all of this shit was to challenge me. Now I had to sort of either I had to, you know, fold under the pressure of it Crumble. Crumble, or I had to actually rise to the challenge. So it really did feel like now it's interesting. The first proper date I had since I started daygame was with a bird whom I had an instant date with, and she was kind of very sweet. And that found and in a way, I didn't I wasn't at all happy with that day. It found really kind it was a different sort of princess behavior. She just was she just totally said nothing, did nothing, didn't really challenge me. Blah blah blah blah. Yeah. Harder. I felt that was a hard and I I would I was very I I'm inexperienced still, but I was very inexperienced then. Yeah. I I remember she played a little bit of ping pong with the whole setting up of the date too. I remember she said, oh, I can't find the the the bar. Can we I'm I'm getting back on the tube. Yeah. Yeah. That's Classic. And at that time, I felt my world was about to cave in. Managed to save. This time, when I got when she turned up when she rescheduled the date and then she turned up probably over half an hour late, actually. And then the very first thing she told me was, oh, this job interview, I've actually got it at 09:30 now.

**Speaker 0:** This is the girl the other day. This is the girl from the other day. The Yeah. Let's call her the countess. Did you follow classic game advice? Because I always say to guys, and I always do this, if a girl is more than fifteen minutes late, I certainly don't wait for her. I just go to the venue or I just kind of hide behind the corner somewhere, and I always make the girl come to me. And in my text, I say, you know, minus two points or you're getting the first drinks, cheeky face. The one thing that I did do was,

**Speaker 1:** when she said let's meet the final message was let's meet in Leicester Square. And I actually said, well, yes. But let's meet in the Hippodrome inside on the 1st Floor bar. Oh, that's good. So at least I had the final word. No. That that's ideal. That's what I meant. You're not let you're not standing there in the wind, in the rain, in the dark. No. I made sure we were it was raining, so I made sure we're undercover. Good. And and I like it in there and I could gamble. And actually, I did while I was waiting was I looked at the tables and I actually she arrived, I did actually gamble. Brilliant. That's it. That's a good little nugget

**Speaker 0:** of gold there. That that venue, the rome is not only legendary, it's a twenty four hour bar. It is one of the best secret date venues. But cheers, Mr. A. Alright. So let's get into more of her, behavior, more of her bucking.

**Speaker 1:** Okay. So, I mean, as I said, the first thing was she put a time constraint on me at 09:30, which is a bit bizarre. Like, we've got two hours for a date, if that. So this kind of put pay to the logistics of planning everything. I mean, you know, when you go on a date, you wanna get the logistics right. Well, I now found myself in virgin territory because I couldn't really take it to the bar I wanted to and then take it to the place where we might eat later on. So I said, well, well, that's it. We just have to go because of the time, we just have to go straight to Common Garden. And I know a couple of I had I'd researched a couple of good restaurants with with but now You can hear the gasp of listeners going, what the fuck? Taking a girl to a restaurant. Well, the advantage of these two restaurants is I know them both very well, and they both have bars. Yeah. So I take the girl to the bar. We have a drink. If she's if she's hungry, what do you do? So you've got a menu there, and if she says I'm I'm peckish, you give her the menu, and then you can take the date from the bar and sit down. It wouldn't be or you can eat at the bar. No. You take her home. But I should I should point out mister a is a very, this is his style

**Speaker 0:** and he does it with friends and he does it with, not that, but he eats, mean, with friends and if he was meeting me. So it's very in keeping with mister A's style and I know the bars he's talking about. There's one actually next to his house. It's awesome. So guys, don't imagine mister a going to the Ritz and having a five course dinner. That's not what we're talking about. Even in that bar next to your house, it's kind of like snack food, isn't it? It is. Yeah. Yeah. You could have a tiny little it's like tapas in Spain. So I know what you're talking about. I I wasn't it wasn't like, let's go out to dinner. Let us have a starter. Yeah. But nevertheless I know what you mean. Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** I kind of, in a way, I felt and I may have even said this as we walked to Common Garden. Look. You gotta get back to 09:30. Gotta get you fed and watered, and then that's it. Because it felt like we should put this time constraint in the in the frame. And I was like, fine. Get you back to your meeting at 09:30. Take you, have a drink, feed you, take you back. Duck a horse back to the stables after you've eaten. That's quite funny. I mean, in a way, what else could I do? I didn't know that they put the put to pay put paid plans. But it turns out, as we'll come on to, that that was another test because there wasn't a 09:30, was there? No. She shifted it. What what transpired is she'd had a job interview earlier that day according to her, and she was actually just going back there because she said to the guy after the interview, I'll come and see you later and we'll have a drink together too. I bet she did. But anyway, let's let's get on to the juicy bits. Go on. How did she have a go? Well, well, the first thing was that she I mean, I started to tell her a little bit of a story about, my first, romance, you know, primary school with a girl who I chased her through the corridors and tried and she stole my milk and all that sort of good stuff. So I went on with this story, and I kind of elaborated it like I do sometimes and said the police had come around, and we had to go to this girl's house and arrested her. We found, you know, crate loads of milk stashed. Anyway, it's a stupid story. That's called the grounding story, Mystery would say. But, no, no. I understand what you're doing. Well, I I didn't want to tell a story. You know, I wanted to make it interesting and Yeah. And get slightly sexual and perhaps talk about more interesting stuff, find out what she'd done for her childhood. By the way, I should say before this, she'd already said to me on the way, you're short for a man.

**Speaker 0:** Yep. Classic. You guys should be writing this down. Making fun of your shirt, being late, making fun of your height. Guys, be ready for this. Particularly with very beautiful all Russian or Eastern European girls. These are classic, mister a.

**Speaker 1:** Well, I'm glad to be so. I mean, this was a mixed bag of a day. But anyway, so we anyway, she cut me off with this story, she just said, that's a stupid story. If you're gonna sell a story Mhmm. About your childhood, tell an honest story about who you are. This all this shit about you,

**Speaker 0:** the police coming around, that's just ridiculous. Mhmm. So she quite quickly she I mean, she was quite direct. That's in a way, that's quite nice. I remember when a girl looked at me. It was in Jewel Bar Covent Garden a couple of years ago, and I was telling some story, which was a true story about my childhood. She just looked at me and she said, there's something about you that you've told that story, you practiced that story. And she had me, you know? At the time, I was like a proper pickup artist learning my structure and she had me. I always remember that thinking, yeah, game, you know?

**Speaker 1:** I actually felt that she was gaming me far better than I could ever dream of it. In fact, I felt that the rule book was being ripped up in front of my eyes And I had no choice but to somehow respond actually quite honestly and and directly. Good for you and a bit of vulnerability and honesty. That's good. I should say around about this point, she'd also made it crystal clear, and she said as much, you know, this is just a friendly drink.

**Speaker 0:** Okay? But, again, listening to a girl's actions, not her words, Harry met Sally, if you wanna watch the movie about just that one line. That again, write that down on your list, guys, for another thing you're gonna hear either really posh or really hot girl saying to you or bringing up a boyfriend a lot. She was actually doing touching me like that a lot as she was talking. I'm just On the arm. He's touching me. On the arm. Nowhere else. Officer.

**Speaker 1:** And we were sitting quite comfortably at the bar. And I felt like I didn't know what to do in terms of how to deal with the situation. But I, I remember I actually and I felt like this kind of wasn't really out of the rule book, if you like, in inverted commas. I just said, you know what? I really loved the way that in setting up this date and throughout it's not a date she'd cut me off. It's just a friendly yeah. Yeah. And I went, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's good. She said and I said, I just love the way you're so fucking direct. I think I may have actually used fucking. Yes. So honest, and it's so refreshing. And you know what? As I said it, I felt tears in my eyes because I felt that I felt passionate about this, that in this world, so many girls are fucking around, playing these silly little games, and a girl who just knows what she wants, see you there, you know, meet you at 07:00, blah blah blah. I know she played a little bit of a game on the day, but actually up until that, she's been very direct. Well, that's good. And she wouldn't have been used to that.

**Speaker 0:** And that is

**Speaker 1:** Actually said to her, sorry, Clayton. You can probably see the tears in my eyes. I actually feel quite passionate about this. Mister a, is it is it

**Speaker 0:** I'm welling up just to the thought of you welling up. I've never heard this happening on a date, but I can see why it would work because it's so honest and raw. And finally, as I'm gonna come on to when I tell you my Russian stories, you're not being non reactive. So the message of this podcast is that sometimes like a good teacher, and I was a teacher and you try to be non reactive, but a few times every year, kids just get on your nerves or they push buttons so much that you do some teachers well up. I used to raise my voice a lot and very bluntly say what I was thinking to the class. What do you get? You get silence. You get respect. You get like a father telling his child off and saying, look, I don't hate you. I love you. You know, you're my child, but I have to do this to you. And ultimately, what that is is setting the boundaries. It is being reactive, but it's not crumbling on her every question. It's just like knocking over the house of cards and just going, look. Stop. And you did at one point go, did you go around to it or did you see it? I I there was two two other things perhaps worth mentioning about this day. I mean, first is that

**Speaker 1:** she was she talks a lot. There's no problem with the conversation with this girl. I mean, she's and I at one point, I just said, you talk a lot. That's awesome. That's the money. And I and I actually she was talking so fast at one at one point. She slurred her words, and I went, brr. That's what you are. You're brr. Even better. And she went, brr. And she parroted it back to me, and it was quite funny. Because how how many guys would have said that to her? You know? That's gold. Is it? I mean, I Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's used to guys agreeing with her, apologizing for being short. And It was so funny. She was so funny. She was so stupidly hot and well dressed. I couldn't believe I was in anyway, she actually then at that point called I'm a bitch, aren't I? She said, you know, b a I t c h. Yep. And I suggest you're bitch or bitch or whatever it is. I can't don't know if you used that word before. Batch. Batch. Sorry. Mister a. And that was funny. And, actually, the rest of the date was easy after that initial interaction at the bar. And I whenever she talked too much, I just did the zips sign with my That that is brilliant. And I'm as you told me, you noticed a shift in energy and behavior. After that interaction at the bar I've just described, there was a shift. And then we went and had dinner. And she used a swear word, you told me, and you walked around the table and slapped her hand. Yeah. That was fun. It was a real kind of tussle since then. She told me off with pinching napkins in the next table, and then she said the c word. I mean, proper let rip with it too. And I I was shocked, actually. I stood up, and I walked around to her side of the tail, said, give me your hand. Yeah. And she did. And I went And It's awesome, mate. It's awesome because

**Speaker 0:** you're That's funny. You're not shouting like a man who's lost his temper, but you are being the father figure, the daddy. And, you know, there's lots of literature on why girls find this attractive. A man who lays down barriers, a man who, like, parodies a tough a tough kind of father figure. And you see why it works with children. Children need barriers. I'm not saying women are children, but I'm saying ultimately when she's doing something stupid like having a go at your height or even being late. They're looking to see if how you'll respond. And her attraction for you after you kind of passed all those really crazy,

**Speaker 1:** examples of princess behavior. I mean, I didn't give them the shit test or anything like that. I just found myself in a situation. I I'm not saying it was easy. It was quite it was hard work, but it was kind of it was it's actually good fun.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. But can you imagine how many beginners or guys who knew nothing about dating? I mean, I guess most guys would have put up with it and been really,

**Speaker 1:** quiet and nice. I think a year ago, I would have and this perhaps is the final sort of thing to say is when we did walk back, we had a lovely walk back hand arm in arm. I gave her my my arm, and she took it. Bingo. And she said she wanted to see me next week. And Proof of the pudding. And then I tried to kiss, and she stormed off. So I don't know where that's going. I'm hoping that we'll that we'll end up on a second day. But there's kind of a critical point actually, which a a year ago, I would I would have gone the wrong way, and that was when the waiter came. By the way, this is the waiter that she told to send. She'd sent the scallops back, and the headwaiter would come out, and she'd give him a broadside. And he'd sent him packing. She sounds like a lovely girl. Hard work. But she said she did it with a certain charm. But was the with the moment when the waiter brought the inevitable check and brought the bill and brought the card reader and said, sir, shall I put this on your card? And 99% of guys would have said yes. And I would have said yes a year ago, and I just couldn't I just was not gonna do this. It happened this again in my life. I was not gonna go down this road. Good for you. I said put on half. Yeah. And she And she didn't say anything, and she paid half. Again, because she that would have given you points because, normally, when she goes on a dinner date, I'm sure she she hasn't paid for many dinner dates with with guys. Maybe. I mean, she did tell me during the course of the night jokingly that on New Year's Eve, she'd been to some posh club and a guy had bought her a nice bucket with bottles of champagne, and he'd basically financed her New Year's Eve at a posh club. A girl like this, and you list all of those behaviors she's just done.

**Speaker 0:** On paper, you can see why a section of the the dating community, the pickup community really has a kind of a venomous hatred of girls in the dark corner of the pickup world. You you know what I mean when guys are like blurring women taking my money and acting like this and being late. All women, they just wanna take my money that I I hate women. When the whole point of this podcast is we're saying, if you can just chill out, enjoy it Enjoy it. Which you did, and embrace it. Use it as ammunition in a good way of showing her that, you know, you can be witty, you can be smart, you can tell her to be quiet in a nice way, you can get her to pay for half of the thing, and she says, hopefully, I'll see you. She hopefully, you're gonna meet up this week or next week. So that was one hell of a parcel of hurdles.

**Speaker 1:** You know, the whole day going by will packed into Yeah. Three short hours. And what, like, a learning experience for anybody. It's like going with Muhammad Ali. Sorry, Tom. She but she didn't just to to explain. She but what was also interesting, this time constraint never happened and that she she didn't, she she didn't have this support. We covered this, I think, earlier in the podcast. She didn't actually have a a 09:30. That evaporated. So, again, she she she was happy to hang out and have have a couple of bottles of wine together. A mate of mine used to he he said he hated the word shit test as well. He preferred chance to show value. Yeah. If that's a really good point. I felt that I was actually kind of, you know, I'm not so grateful, but, you know, grateful for the opportunity, the experience because Yeah. She challenged me and she, you know, she forced me to come up to the mark. Yeah. And she's she's been, you know, smothered and like a naughty child.

**Speaker 0:** You can explain her behavior because if she's been on all these dates where they've been pretty boring, the guy's paid, they've just been weak and you you can understand why a girl like that would be bored of going on dates, why she would be a bit of a madam. I always say to students, imagine if you were a really hot girl. Yeah. You know, stop criticizing women. Hang on a minute. If you were a really hot girl swamped by business cards and offers to go to Dubai Promises. How would you react? Yeah. Looking at you as a sex object. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the feistiness is what me and mister a is saying is is what should be embraced. And it's quite fun if you can kind of stand back and say, I learned a shitload from that. Let's say you never see her again, I think you will. It taught you a lot. Yeah? He's nodding. Yeah. I wanted to finish this podcast linking what mister Ace just said with this really weird learning point for me in 2014 when I cracked something that I did I didn't know how to crack in 2013 and 2012. And that's my regular trips to Moscow and the Former Soviet Union. We all know these kind of girls. We know them from London. You might know them from Miami if you're listening or from New York City or from Los Angeles. You know the type of girl that I'm talking about. Very, very self confident dripping in money that she might have got from other guys, blah blah blah. And I it was the missing piece of the puddle where puzzle where I could daygame them like you. I could get their number. I could even get them on a date. And then I was faced with exactly what mister a's just described. Sometimes more extreme in Moscow where they were very, very rude, just super hot. So I carried on. Maybe I had a second date and I never got anywhere. And I was playing this be non reactive, be British, be intellectual, be quite nice. And I think it's in Torero Travels in the Ukraine where a girl pushes me so far with her rude behavior that I shouted at her and kicked her out of my apartment. And this was early in the morning and then she came back and we slept together. And that was one little thing in my mind thinking, oh, that's quite interesting. And recently this summer in Moscow, I was having a bad week. I was ill and loads of girls had flaked. And I went on a date with a girl and she brought up the topic of why what was happening in the Ukraine was all made up and actually, Russia was a victim blah blah blah. The America had shot down that poor passenger airline. And I had something inside me and I was a little bit drunk after two Guinnesses, I snapped, bang. I'm not sure if you snapped like this on the first date, but I just started to be ruthlessly honest. I was like, you can't say that. This is how it is. Do you know what? I'm tired. If you wanna go, just We

**Speaker 1:** had a, on the first date, when I told her that we didn't have much in common and kind of threw a spanner in the works because she was she felt too hot to handle sort of thing. We did then have a very honest candid conversation, and I said, wouldn't it be refreshing if two human beings to you know, gone out on a date. They decided in the first forty minutes they weren't for each other. And I actually said this to her, and they went back to their lives, and then they didn't spend a whole three hours and ring up a bill fighting around playing games. That's a mega push away. And and you know what? That first date as well as the second date, I felt more like a proper, you know, a man. I felt more of a stand up guy Yeah. Than I felt in a long time, and she brought the best out of me. Yeah. Credit to this girl, whatever you wanna call her, princess, countess, but bitch,

**Speaker 0:** she brought out the best. It's hard to know where the line is because obviously you know, rather than an artificial person. But you don't wanna shout like one of those crazy teachers who loses it because you'll probably never see the girl again. On that date, I think I just by chance hit it correctly. I was getting emotional. She looked at me and suddenly shut up because she was a princess. She just shut up. And twenty minutes later, was back in my place. It was all fine. She was like a little cat. So the message of this podcast, I think this is why miss mister a and I wanted to do it is, yeah, nonreactive is good, especially for beginners. But with certain girls, expect these kind of dates and embrace these kind of dates and at some point make it clear that you're holding your own. I wanted to give a bit of homework for you guys this week. It is to check out a PDF or I think it's no. It's a Kindle book as well. It's called Pitch Anything by a chap. I'm guessing he's Norwegian. He's called Orang Klaff. And he's not a day gamer or a gamer. He's a businessman. And the book's called an innovative method for presenting, persuading, and winning the deal. And someone sent that to me and I thought, what the heck is this? I'm not interested. But all that little book is about is frame control in a non angry way. So if you're pitching a business idea, if you're in Dragon's Den, if you're talking to a CEO, or if you're sitting opposite a very dramatic princessy girl, it's kind of the same thing. It's about your conviction and who's holding the frame. It sounds gamey, it sounds manipulative, but it's not. It's just what Mr. A was talking about. Father time has has has come full circle, mister a. Indeed. Thank you for inviting me on to this podcast. Pleasure. Really interesting talking about it. Pleasure. I need a week because we've been having a beer and you're off to

**Speaker 1:** to East London. With a mate in Westfield. Yeah. Very nice. Another daygamer? Indeed. He is. Yeah. A really good experienced one. Are you you gonna do a bit of daygame in Westfield? I don't know. Might too. We might but but we're gonna grab a pizza at some stage and perhaps perhaps So another nugget that we shouldn't give all these nuggets away, but Westfield

**Speaker 0:** Stratford is a secret destination. It is. The never nice Eastern Europeans who can't afford the West End. Yeah. There's a community of Lithuanians. 20,000 Lithuanians live in Stratford, so get your ass over there. We I say, no. Don't. Go to go to Shepherd's Bush or Union Square, wherever you are. Alright. Boys and girls, say goodbye, mister a. Thank you, guys. Good luck with it all. Cheers, mate. I'll see you on a future podcast very soon. Yeah. Me too. I'm off to Morocco tomorrow. I'll do some video blogs. I promise I'll start that up again. Anyway, until next time. Ta da.