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# Episode 13 Become a Vagabond Entrepreneur

**Speaker 0:** Tom Torero podcast 13. That is my family's lucky number. So I'm feeling good. I'm in Prague, Pracha in The Czech Republic on another flow mad trip. I'm here for a bit of daygame to see a bird and to hook up in a non sexual way because I'm sitting very close to him with a good friend and old friend. You could say the original flow mad because this is the guy who I met in London who first told me about this possibility of remote living, remote working, passive income, travel, bloody blah. I've been away with him. I've lived with him in London. I've lived with him in Russia. He was a day gamer, but he's got other passions so that he's gonna tell you about now. And it's great because we're in Prague and Prague happens to be the first city we came to together on a flow mad expedition, you could say, at the end of two thousand and twelve. I remember it was cold. We were just thinking about escaping London. I should say his name, then I can use his name. His name is Steve and he is the founder the founder, the god, the guru. Pioneer. The pioneer of www.rawattractionmagazine.com,

**Speaker 1:** but it's an app magazine. So, yeah, we'll tell you about it later, but you can download it on iTunes.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. And this is your baby, and this is the whole reason that I've met up with Steve to ask him about a, how he's got to this point because Steve doesn't live in London. He lives around the world. Be would ask about your the founding of the magazine that story and see the learning process from you at university dabbling in online stuff, and then a little bird tells me that you won a men's health nomad of the year award, something like that. Yeah. Let's start there. What the fuck is that? Is that true?

**Speaker 1:** That was in 2009 where I won the mental health nomad entrepreneur of the year award, which meant no office mobile and driven. And that that at the time, was running a student discounts website at university which was my first business and

**Speaker 0:** get a Did certificate for men's health?

**Speaker 1:** I got a photo shoot and $5.

**Speaker 0:** That was fun. Get in there. So even at uni, when you're pretending to study something serious, you started dabbling in online money.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. My my uni course was literally a piece of shit. I I studied writing and the only thing I learned that in that course was how to do dramatic writing, was you put if you wanna know this, $14, this is of information. Just put more full stops in your sentences. What? In the middle of a sentence randomly? Yeah. Like, fuck. Pause. I'm gonna kill you. Pause. See see how dramatic that is. I noticed that in your article, Steve. You are quite it's punchy. That's what you're saying. It's quite masculine. It's dramatic. It's fun. It's playful. But anyway, that's all I learned. So armed with the wanting to know more about online marketing when I found out there was just realized people were making money through affiliate marketing online and I just started my own student discounts website. What year was this? 2008.

**Speaker 0:** So probably before Tim Ferriss' four hour work week, or did you know of that guy in that book?

**Speaker 1:** I did know of him, but I don't know what year that came out. I think he's doing a ten year update now, so I think that came out 2005.

**Speaker 0:** He needs to because we'll talk about why some of that book is bollocks. Anyway, yeah. So you did the student discount

**Speaker 1:** affiliate stuff. Yeah. So I learned a lot there. And really my goal at that point was actually just because I knew when when you know you can make money online, you know you can travel. Like, because the Internet is everywhere unless you go to the middle of Nigeria. Or Wales. Nigeria, Wales, wherever the Boko Haram group are hanging out. South Wales.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. So But you were living in London, yeah, when I met you?

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. We met in London in 2012. We met on a dating website.

**Speaker 0:** No. That's another story. Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** We met met through daygame and we start you started teaching me that because I I wanted to know that as a as a flow mad skill because it's one of those skill sets that is great to have if you go to a new city.

**Speaker 0:** But what's cool about your daygame is that you learned it as a skill, like you've taught yourself loads of other skills and then you didn't really think about it, you didn't concentrate on it because like here you've you've met birds through it, through other things so it's not really a focus anymore is it? A flowmatter doesn't need to think about daygame twenty four seven. No.

**Speaker 1:** You do when you start have to concentrate on it for a few months, certainly, especially when it's kind of one of the scariest things that most guys can do. Yeah. Yeah. Get it. Go somewhere. I was learning in Prague. I was learning in

**Speaker 0:** Russia and with you. Obviously, they have to click on a link below and take training with me. Obviously, that is a given.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. You you are probably the best well, you are the teacher

**Speaker 0:** in the world. He's saying that as he's rubbing my leg, and I'm slipping him £20. But anyway, that's very kind, Steve. So in return, for me doing daygame with you, you started telling me about your lifestyle, and you were this was in London 2012. Mhmm. And you would all also, as well as the student discount thing, you had found a way to do consultancy online. That was earning you quite a lot of money. Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** Kind of what happened was in 2011 or 2010, I think. I ended up spending too much money on the website rebuild and basically the whole website crashed, in terms of the business and I wasn't making enough money. So I had to take on this freelance job and the freelance job was working from home, finding partnerships for this CV writing company, and that was giving me income. I didn't have to do much for it, and it gave me the ability to a few like a year or so later to set up, the magazine, which is now my passion and my hobby, which is all about helping men and women understand each other more, find more love in their lives, find have better sex, and Yeah. You've you've gone way beyond daygame and seduction and PUA,

**Speaker 0:** which was like your foundation. You've gone into crazy shit, like, we should point out here that Steve does do crazy shit. He reminds me of Carl Pilkington, not in that he has a round head. Your head is quite round, but Yeah. Steve will just Google something, and rather than saying to me, oh, that's quite interesting, he'll go off and do it. Like, you've been to, like you've learned everything about weird sexual practices. You get into BDSM. You've gone to, like, festivals and communes. Where have you been recently? I've last couple of years, I've done

**Speaker 1:** I infiltrated the orgasmic meditation community in America. Cult ish. Sorry. Cult. Yeah. It's a it's a cult. And then But still still cool research. Studying tantra and shamanism and BDSM and Where you've in the Salsa is a big passion. So where I've been in the last couple of years is it all started when I was in my bedroom in London and and you came in like you do every evening. Don't tell that story, Steve. When I said, Tom, I need to get the hell out of London. It's too fucking cold here. It was the middle of January or December. And I was like, fuck this. So, I was like, Tom, where shall I go? And you were like, you should go to Austin. I was like, yeah, why did I say Austin? I don't know. I think he knew that John and and some other guys that we knew that had been there and said it was pretty good and it was warm as well at that time. Like, Austin's one of the places where you can go it alternative.

**Speaker 0:** I think that's why we said it's Austin's very creative, holistic and healthy.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. So I thought, fuck it. Let's go to Austin. Took Tom's idea on with a whim and, yeah, it was an amazing experience out there. I met a beautiful Saudi woman, fell in love and Dressed as a tiger quite a lot of it? Yeah. I was dressed as a tiger. Went to South by Southwest orgasmic meditation. And

**Speaker 0:** I should also point out, this is an interesting fact about you. Yeah. Not that illegal fact, but Steve had an amazing pad one minute from Oxford Circus. And to most guys, they'd go fuck. Yeah. That's like living the dream. Yeah. In London. But even then, me and you had itchy feet, like, there must be more to the world than daygaming in Oxford Circus. So you moved to Austin.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. I was out there for two months. Originally, it's gonna be one month, but I met this woman and I was like, oh, I've gotta stay. And yeah, I think you either have itchy feet or you don't. There's like my brother is a year younger than me. He he's never really left England. And there's some people that never leave their hometown for their whole lives. But when if you listen to this podcast, you've probably got itchy feet. You wanna get the hell out of there. You wanna because there's three things in life that I've learned the most from. And one

**Speaker 0:** One is Steven Merchant. Was it No.

**Speaker 1:** I was gonna say you, but no. Oh, man. That is No. Yeah. One is business, like, designing to do business. Two is travel and all the things and all the people I met traveling. These are not really in any order. And the third is is is relationships and Yeah. Dating and sex. So those are the three biggest life teachers in it. I think this is what Tom's flow mad product is all about.

**Speaker 0:** Nice link, mate. See how we sneakily upsell. And right now, I'm editing flow mad. I've just shot the last bit in Prague to show guys how to do like a day game jolly and how to use Airbnb and how to live cheaply. So Steve and I learned that together at the same time really we started doing Airbnb. The links I'm gonna put below. So Airbnb and Skyscanner working out how to outsource stuff. So Steve, you were the first person who taught me about Fiverr, the website Fiverr and Elance. Do you wanna like very quickly explain what outsourcing is? Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** I use Odess now. I've got a girl in The Philippines who's working for me for $5 an hour. Does she love you long time? Yeah. She does love me actually.

**Speaker 0:** All the girls that work with you, you like you have like these odd relationships. It's funny.

**Speaker 1:** Well, when you're a man on on a mission to save the world from hatred and turn it transform it into love, most most women love you. They want it deep inside.

**Speaker 0:** I mean, the love, you know. Inside their heart. Exactly. Thank you. It's a family podcast. Yeah. So you've but you outsource stuff like you used to do sound

**Speaker 1:** bites, covers, graphic arts. Yeah. Fiverr or o desk is great for that. Alright. Are you covering that in your product, are you? Yeah. I mentioned outsourcing.

**Speaker 0:** Tim Ferriss goes utterly mad for it and like he outsources people waking him up and sending text messages. Like Tim Ferris is an extreme example of what we're talking about and

**Speaker 1:** I don't think he's balanced. Can I recommend a book for people to read about it? You can as long as it's not about anal sex. No. I I think the guy's called Chris Tucker. It's like fuck. I can't remember the name. But it's maybe We can put it below. Yeah. We'll put it in the links below. I can't remember it now. But it's a bloody good book on like how to write job advertisements and how to know what you need to outsource. It's incredibly it's probably it's the best book I've written read on it. While we're talking about the book then, because

**Speaker 0:** a lot of guys ask me about this and I mentioned it in flow mad that, yeah, you should read the four hour work week by Tim Ferriss because it's the kind of original bible for being a vagabond entrepreneur. But as Steve and I know, you ain't gonna be working four hours a week, number one. How many hours do you currently work, Steve, on your baby magazine? Too much. Mentally.

**Speaker 1:** It's like seventy hours probably. But probably because I I'm in Prague at the moment. Currently in a relationship for the first time in ten years. We've been in a relationship for ten months now. And here, I would prefer to be in South America at the moment to have more of a life balance. This is one of the keys in in choosing a city that you want to work in is you have to choose one where you have you're gonna either gonna gonna go there to specific specifically learn something or you just know there's just stuff you want to do like surf ing or Yep. Sunbathing or climbing mountains or whatever it is you is a big one for you, isn't For me, it sounds like dancing sounds so I learned sounds so in London, I was an international superstar.

**Speaker 0:** Kind well Dressed in lycra. That's kind of

**Speaker 1:** big myself up a bit, but I did do it. Oh, you were bloody good. I did do international performances in a student group, which was was pretty But so I went to Cali in Colombia, where they danced the style of salsa I dance. So if you have a dance like tango, you would go to Argentina or something. You have to really choose a city where you're gonna get that work life balance. And for me at the moment, it feels a bit out of kilter because I don't have that Latin team going on. But but most of the online entrepreneurs I know,

**Speaker 0:** because it's their passion, their obsession, they don't even call it work. They just focus on their flow activity, but it's way more than a normal office job. So if right now you're working in, I don't know, car firm warehouse, Monday to Friday, if you start doing what Steve's doing or what I'm doing, it's it's all consuming. I wake up, I check my phone late at night, I'm looking at emails, I'm making videos, I'm editing, I'm thinking, people are contacting you. It never stops. This is not a job. It's Yeah. Definitely,

**Speaker 1:** I love what I do, but then there is a point where you have to take time for yourself and take a break and take just like you did the other day about going to the Arctic Circle, just that reset button. For me, when I was in Cali, every time I went out to dance, now I just dance in my apartment, but it's not quite the same when you have the atmosphere around you or something you really love. Like, you've gotta have you have to have that balance. Can you tell I we forgot to follow-up on where were the other cool places you went to recently just for, like,

**Speaker 0:** amazing conferences or I saw some awesome photos. Was it South America or Middle America? I went to Thailand for Awesomeness Fest, which is a

**Speaker 1:** spin off company from the company called Mind Valley, who are one of the leaders in the online space in terms of self development and then self growth and stuff. They do an event three times a year, one in America, one in Asia, and one now in Europe, being Croatia in May. And that was incredible in terms of the people speaking there and the people you can meet. I've never been in a room with so many, like, world changes. Where else did you go? You were near a lake that Atitlan in Guatemala is probably one of my favorite places in the world. If you've got a spiritual kind of calling then and you wanna do yoga and meditation and kind of find yourself and you need the internet connection is not brilliant but you can survive the Lake Of Titalan in Guatemala. There's a place called San Marcos, which is a tiny little town. Yeah. There's always like a few 100 it's not even a town. It's like a hamlet a few 100 people.

**Speaker 0:** That, in contrast brings us on to the second myth of the four hour work week. Because if you know that book on the cover, it's just a bloke in a hammock, maybe on his laptop, I can't remember. And guys look at that in the bookshop and they go, fuck yes. Quit the job, work four hours a week, and do absolutely nothing. That is my dream. And most people you speak to, they will say, oh my god, that is my dream, just to lie on a beach in Thailand for the next ten years. But as Steve and I quickly discovered, we discovered this on a holiday in it wasn't a holiday, it was a hardcore expedition to Russia, to daygame. When you go somewhere and you don't work, and in our case, we were just focusing on hot girls, you very quickly start to be lazy and you start going mental, basically, and depressed. Like, we I openly talk about how you Big depressed. Walking in looking sort of walking in circles around the living room and sort of hating your head against the wall, that kind of mental. Yeah. I hide that video. But you know what I mean. You've been through dips where you you're not focused on your goal. This was probably before your magazine and you we both used to say to each other, like, what the fuck is the point of this? Well,

**Speaker 1:** that this this comes down to what, like, why why are you alive? Like, literally, why are you alive? What is your purpose? And how are you here to serve serve humanity? Are you are you gonna serve humanity or are you gonna go and join ISIS?

**Speaker 0:** Like, that's your choice. Literally, that's your choice. I'll join ISIS because you get a gun.

**Speaker 1:** Well No, I wouldn't. Disclaim it. Like, to me, you either choose love or hate at the moment. Yeah. It's light or dark whether you're spiritual or not. Yeah. It's it's it's that clear at the moment. So unless you wanna go and travel to Syria and kill people, then I suggest someone choosing something where you feel you're gonna be serving people. Like for me, I'm I'm running a magazine. It's the first magazine for men and women that's ever been produced to help men and women understand each other more and and grow together and evolve together. Tom's gonna help you guys out so you can live your dreams and meet women if if that's your thing. And, yeah, you have to choose something that you're gonna be of service so that you can you're happy with working up to ten hours a day. Ideally, I'd probably wanna work six hours perhaps and then Yeah. Spend the other time dancing

**Speaker 0:** salsa or doing something else. That's because doing nothing is very toxic, particularly for men. Because in flow mode, I say, you know, what's your project? What's your project? Because the study of lottery winners show people that become famous really quickly. These studies show that if if if somebody tomorrow gives you $2,000,000 or a million quid, whatever, you have this massive peak of happiness because you go off and you do sex, drugs, rock and roll. And then after a year, they show that people's baseline happiness is the same if not negative. Fame and money usually makes people hit the booze or the drugs. So we learn quite quickly that this is not about making loads of cash to do to do nothing. I've got another start. I've heard recently, there's been studies of

**Speaker 1:** I think in America where the where the baseline income when it goes above about a $150,000 or between a 150 a $101,150,000 dollars or if you're in UK, it's probably about 70 or 80,000 like the happiness doesn't go up because you're so you've once you've got $10 a month coming in, I mean, you got everything covered at that point. Yeah. There's nothing wrong. I actually want a lot more than that so I can grow the business. I want multiple 6 figures coming in a month so I can grow and expand the business and serve more because sometimes you do need money to help things grow, but you don't know you don't need all that money for yourself.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. You you you need money for this flow mad thing, but in flow mad, I actually give my maths. I'm not gonna give it away here, but I actually say how much me and you, when we do all these little expeditions, sometimes to really far away places like Australia or Guatemala, how much we actually need. So how much accommodation, food, travel, you could even say jet skiing in Miami, how much that cost. And it is nowhere near what a guy assumes. Because a guy always emails me and say, Tom, do you have like really rich parents or did you win some money? And I say, I'll only give you the hint, but I spend a third less than I was earning as a primary school teacher in London. So that is how much money I need to have this lifestyle. And I know you go to crazy places and do crazy things, and you are you're not some kind of millionaire like your dad didn't give you a shitload of cash. Because people assume that I think from, you know, looking at people who travel the world. But we've we started off in hostels, you and me, not the YMCA. Right here in Prague, we were staying in hostels, cooking our own food, like budget budget airlines, and then we worked out Airbnb, then we worked out different passive income sources. But it's not what guys think, is it?

**Speaker 1:** No. You certainly, well, you can choose your places. You can live in in Guatemala very cheaply. It just depends where you wanna go. I think you just need to have that gold in your mind of where's that first place you wanna go. Like, have a clear picture of what it where you wanna go and then and then work it's different. That's a good point between me and you that you are all about the heat,

**Speaker 0:** tropical, South American. You love that Latino vibe of Colombia. That's one of my kind of worst nightmares. I think being in a hot sticky place with girls with big asses and stuff. I I've just come back from Finland, from Poland. So I know in my core that I'm all about Eastern Europe, forest skiing. So when I realized that, that's why I did that trip to Finland because I thought, Tom, this is your core. You've got to listen to this core. I've wanted to go there for twenty five years and I did it. So you're listening to this and your dream might be to live in New York City or to live in London or to I don't know what your passion is. If you listen to this, you should know what it is because it's the thing that you do when you're not working or the thing you've wanted to do since you were a child. You do it automatically. The common question to this is if you know, if you were if you could do anything, and money wasn't the option, what is it that you would do? And that sounds like cheesy life coaching, you know, like what's your purpose, man? But it's a really serious question because when you start earning passive income or running a magazine, and you've got time and you can move. I remember many times when me and you sat in a cafe going like, what is the, you know, what is our purpose? What is our focus? And your magazine, you suddenly were like, bing. I got it and it's my job.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. Finding that purpose is key. And, yeah. Back to the cities thing, really ushers should ask around to know. For example, I went to Hong Kong when I was 19 and I thought that would be amazing, but it wasn't really all I hoped it to be and I traveled all the way across the world to go there and I really should have done more research before I went and I've I've went the same a couple of years ago to Vancouver for and I was committed there for two months. Didn't really wanna be there for two months after the first few weeks. It was okay in the end, but especially if you're going to if you're thinking about going somewhere a long distance away, then get some advice from people who've been there and be very, very clear before committing yourself to a place for too long. That's would never over commit yourself to a place. We used to have these wild dreams if you say, okay, I'm gonna move here forever. I think one month Yep. One month minimum and then, you know, if you've got your you can you get your grounding after one month and you know if you wanna stay there. Yeah. Like, you understand the city, you understand the place. It's traveling from a place of strength, isn't it?

**Speaker 0:** Because a lot of guys you meet on the road are running away and they're in Asia for the next twenty years or whatever. Yeah. But me and you are like, you can't go to a city for two days, we tried that. You can't go for five days. You just feel like you've eaten a McDonald's. It's like really cheap. You need a month. Yeah. I agree with you, mate. That a month after month, either you stay or you go.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. I think that month is staying. I I get bored typically even it could be paradise, you know, after three months I want I want to move on, but that's just me. But, yeah, the one the one month thing is is is the minimum you need. Well, it's the it's not even the minimum. It's the ideal time that you need to know the city if you if you want to stay there or not.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. One of my one of my biggest realizations from the last two years is this time on time off thing. And Tim Ferriss does talk about it in that you shouldn't run away from your family and your friends like I did and go off and do day game for two years around the world with no other focus and no foundations because it doesn't make you happy. So, like you've currently got roots obviously here going on, something going on here. But that idea that you can have a base or you can have different focuses. So like like you said, like learning a language or going to do salsa and then saying, I'm gonna go to a festival for two weeks, then I'm gonna go back to London and earn some money for two weeks, then I'm gonna do this. That's very different to this backpacker idea when you're 19 of just like traveling around Asia. That's not what flow mad is at all. You know what I mean? Yeah. But you still do want that like agility.

**Speaker 1:** And I I saw you, I think we were in Lithuania or Latvia or somewhere, and I was I was carrying two bags, and you had just one. I was like, how the hell are you doing that? Or one in a very small bag. And then Still got it. Yeah. After that, I I got rid of my bag and I was traveling very, very light. So I can go anywhere I wanted. I I had one bag and then one of those I can't remember the name of them, but they got loads of pockets, like the 25 pocket jacket thing. They stuff everything in there. Bird watcher. Yeah.

**Speaker 0:** Keep all my bird watching binoculars and stuff in there. That's good. You get through security on that. That's a good Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** I was traveling the whole world on that enough. That's exhilarating when you get everything down to this one bag that I I bought and yeah. Just to throw everything there and, like, and people you tell people you just kept going around the world and that and they're they're envious that you've got so little stuff. What? When you quit your place in London, did you sell lots of stuff or did you

**Speaker 0:** put it into storage?

**Speaker 1:** Sold you my TV.

**Speaker 0:** I Okay. I've I've left that in London somewhere. I don't know what happened to your TV. Fuck it. It's probably some someone's got it. What happened what happened to all your other stuff?

**Speaker 1:** I put some of it at my mom's, but like, I I don't really need any of it. Like, if my mom's house burned down, then I wouldn't be bothered. God forbid, your poor mother. Well, me and my brother. I wouldn't want my house, my mom's house to burn down. My brother's left there and stuff. So Yeah. Right.

**Speaker 0:** We we were bang on time actually for this podcast. So there's so much more about this that I I'm gonna try I'll probably do an interview with you if that's okay, and I'll do something for you in return, non sexually, for flow mad. Alright. Because Steve Steve's, you know, is the flow mad guy, but to finish this podcast with tips. Tips for yourself, not tits. Tips for yourself. So if you were listening to this podcast five years ago about quitting your job, quitting your place, Like, have you got any other general, like, little nuggets?

**Speaker 1:** Well, most of them are what we covered already, and they would really be one focus on getting down to knowing what you want to do and if you don't know what you don't want to do yet and you are still in a job, you've you've got to try and get that to be a freelance situation where you can just go and work from anywhere. I had a friend I had a friend in Canada who who asked his his company. They said, right, can I go and live in Colombia for three months and still work out there? And they said, yes. Sometimes it's just a matter of asking, asking for what you want. Like, Richard Branson has like really spoken up about remote working and he he's all up for it. So if you're working in a company, you may not even know if they would accept remote working, but if if if you can, just ask. Any

**Speaker 0:** big warning? Anything we've said a few that we discovered from quitting your job and moving?

**Speaker 1:** Warning is just don't over commit yourself to a place. That's the the biggest one. I went to Vancouver for two months and it was too long. I wanted to leave after three weeks, I think. And, yeah, that's that's the big one. And and, yeah, alongside what we said earlier of go you must go to a place to learn learn or do something that you already know.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. And then take a break from it, almost like the time on time off like daygame here in Prague is awesome. If you stayed in Prague doing daygame for twelve months straight, you'd go mad. Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** You don't really when you come to a city, you don't really wanna do daygame for more than about ten days because by that point, you should have had dates. Like, if you still gotta go out after ten days or two weeks, then, like, I don't know. I don't know what's happening for you. Tom will probably be able to tell you more. That's all in flow, my idea, how you do day game abroad. But I've

**Speaker 0:** scribbled down here my top tip from Flowmad. It's such a big top tip, and that is carry a bath plug. Wow. Not a butt plug, but a bath well, you could I've got I've got a butt plug. That's that's a whole different story. And if you wanna know more, obviously, click on Steve's link. That's not really the best selling point for my magazine. You laughed at me because I am the least like self developmental. I am spiritual, but I'm not I'm not operating in these circles or on this kind of thing that you do. But I I've known Steve for ages and it's all coming from a place of love. He's a good day gamer and he is mister flow mad. So you you gotta listen to somebody that's done it before you. That was podcast number 13 live from the Palladium Shopping Center in Prague. Steve, I'll probably see you in LA, mate. We'll be sitting on Venice Beach for the next one. Promise?

**Speaker 1:** I hope so. I hope we can do that. Thank you for having me. Alright, mate. All the best.