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# Episode 135 MacDaddy Of Pickup (Beckster Interview)

**Speaker 0:** So young is big daddy, you know, and seen your father. You've read the book of Mac, and now it's time to meet the author. Ain't no role or more precise than a model. Give the right words to follow like iceberg and Donald. I follow the rules of engagement that I learned from the school of

**Speaker 1:** Thomas Torero podcast a hundred and thirty five, the first podcast of 2018, And what a cracking podcast. Finally, much requested, I've made it to, a dark and windy part of London to track down an urban legend. I wasn't even sure if this guy still existed. But many of you who have followed me since 2010, maybe you read that first book, that scrappy book, and you've read about these urban legends, these mythical figures. And consistently I've had emails saying, can you get some of them on a podcast? And it's been difficult, you know. I've been here, there and everywhere but finally I'm here. It's the night before the, premiere. I've hustled on and I've made it to I think I'm south of the river. So I gotta watch my back here. You know, I gotta watch my pockets. But I'm here with the the grandfather of London pickups, certainly. But, very, very well known. Two decades plus, I think, in the game. It's Robert Beck, not iceberg slim sadly. He's on next week's podcast, but it's, Baxter. Baxter PUA. And if you've read book number one, that name crops up pretty early on because you remember my original wing called Anthony. We were clueless. And the only guy we could find who would spare us a minute was a guy called Robert Beck in a bar in London, and that was the start of something bizarre. Utterly utterly bizarre, utterly filthy, took us down a rabbit hole, and I'm sitting next to him. Four years later, I do believe. The last time I saw you was four years ago. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Robert Beck, Baxter. Alright, mate. Alright, mate. What I'm a bit miffed about is why am I a hundred and thirty five? That's what I wanna know. What's going on here? I was warming up. I had to do a 134 warm ups, but you're here, mate. Oh, you're pretty warm now, aren't you? I'm toasty. I'm in your flat, and I I wanna ask you a lot of questions. Okay. What what are your questions? I wanna interrogate you. And I was I'm I'm Yeah. Wine and dye me I'm prepared for once in my life. I'm prepared. I've got notes. Step number one says kiss his ass. So we have to say who you are. And if you don't know who Robert Beck is, then what's the easiest introduction to Robert Beck? Are you written about somewhere? Can they read you a biography somewhere?

**Speaker 0:** Probably the easiest way to find me is the bexterlifestyle.com.

**Speaker 1:** Right? Insert the sound of money like a ching. Yeah. Ching ching. But also my YouTube channel is the same, the bextel lifestyle. And Instagram is rob bextel. But I say you're a grandfather, not in a derogatory way. I say that because for guys that are are just dabbling in this, if you go far back enough to people like Ross Jeffries, Neil Strauss Mhmm. Mystery, then you find the name Robert Beck. So Well, Bexter. Bexter. Yeah. Robert Beck, they'll find Iceberg's limb. Yeah. But you've been in it for literally two decades plus. Two years. 2010. And since 1996.

**Speaker 0:** Roaming Leicester Square in your long coat. I've yeah. Well, I pulled the old coat out for you to show you. The old lock stock two smoking barrels coat. I'm I'm seeing girls, that my coat's older than, you know, at the moment. But, yeah, I think I've been doing it well, I've been do I have been doing it longer than I haven't and since I was 18. So my I thought it was 19 and then some that someone actually introduced me to it a long time ago, said, no. No. No. You were 18 when I told you about it. So they go, it's Dan corrected. Longer than the Internet you've existed. Yeah. There was no Internet. Yeah. It was all done on printed paper

**Speaker 1:** and the odd cassette tape. And that's not metaphorical. Last time I was here in this very room four years ago, Rob suddenly said to me and Anthony, he said, have a look at this, boys. And he and he got off a shelf, this dusty box. It looked like It was gold, but it was had dust on it. A lot of dust, lot of filth, lot of grime. It was gold wrapped, I should say. It's like a blue Peter thing, you know, you'd make with your mom and then he capsule. And he opened it up and literally pre internet days, there were pieces of paper. This was probably before your iPhone voice. Oh, I I didn't have any of that. They were routines, openers, spikes, stacks,

**Speaker 0:** qualifications. 20 ebooks worth of stuff I just come back and wrote it all down. I'm still bullying Baxter to publish

**Speaker 1:** more and film more, but it's all here in this house. This house is a time capsule at twenty years of pickup. So if you're not familiar with the history of pickup, I keep nagging you to read Mystery Method and obviously you've read the game, but you need to do some digging and think, like, where did all this stuff come from? And eventually, if you're in The UK or Europe, you'll find the name Baxter because of, like I said, Ross Jeffries, Neil Strauss, maybe you're a fan of RSD, or you've read Mystery Method.

**Speaker 0:** All these people, they're not just names. You know them and you Well, I mean, a lot of people that you would know today have either been trained by us or by been trained by someone we've trained, if that makes sense. And, you know, if if you if as Mystery always says, if you've got the skill set to train someone to be a master and then they can train someone to be a master, you know, you you've you're made. You've sorted it. The double whammy passing the The girls is the easy bit. You know, it's a bigger it's a there's many more pieces of the pie than you think than just getting the girl. And if your mind is just concentrated to getting the girl and I must go out and get a girl tonight, just getting girls always. You're missing the point because it will come to you in other areas of your life as well as picking up. I'm not saying don't go out. You should be going out at least three or four times a week, You know?

**Speaker 1:** Rob's Days or night. Rob's touching my leg here. This is I think we're getting meta. Well, I'm actually, you know, doing a bit of a mirroring and matching with, know, but Deep inside, this is the game within the game, which is a topic in itself. Okay. What do you call it? Phases. Phases. Yeah. Six phases. Which daygamers miss out on unless you do a bit of social circle. But that's save that. We'll come back to that. I've written down Alfie because when people ask me about Bexter, whether you told me to watch Alfie, I can't remember. But it was about that time that I watched the Michael Caine version of Alfie. Told you to watch Michael Caine. Yeah. And that really is your life in a way, for good and for bad. I I I I adore that movie, and it sums up kind of London hustling. But you always said as well, watch the Jude Law version, the cheeky chap. Both. Yeah. Personal favorite, Robert?

**Speaker 0:** Personal favorite is Michael Caine version, but I'm I'm stuck in the middle of both. I'm I'm my personality is both. I'm in the middle. There's a fine line. If you've never met Rob or seen him talk, then I always say he's like a naughty schoolboy.

**Speaker 1:** So it's a bit like early Russell Brand. I don't know who came first, probably Bexter before Brand. But the naughtiness hides the the danger, if you like. Girls are very You can get away with a bit. You can get away with a lot more. So if you don't know who Bexter is, that's our introduction. But I met you in 2010. I met you with the guy Anthony who's totally anonymous now. He's working in the city. And if you've read the first book, I talk about Baxter with things like entourage and sexual qualification. That was a big one. Rob took like ten seconds. You looked at me in jaw bar, I think it was, and you said, Tom, you're good. You can open and talk, but you're mate, you're not sexual. And that was the first time anyone had said to me, Tom, you the girls have no idea what you're after. Yeah. So sex qualification,

**Speaker 0:** that's what that was number one. We don't wanna I'm I'm sure many people can feel that when they talk to people, they they they feel like they're in an interview, and the girls are oh, is this 20 questions? So that's where you the vibe you were coming from, and all it needs is that little tweak and that little playfulness and that little cheeky chappy. Yep. And then all changed.

**Speaker 1:** All changed for you. And physicality, can you talk about early sexual qualification? Because I saw you do it very early on in Leicester Square within five to ten seconds. Dance club, weren't you? We can't talk about that. Right? I I don't ever associate Frequently. Frequent. Exotic. That's I saw you do it in the middle of Leicester Square. You Okay. Talk to a girl. What do you tell me? It would be gutter game. We call it now gutter game, which is late night day game. You're chatting to a bird, but then it would get physical very fast. Yeah. And you'd say, I'm I'm screening her. I'm sexually qualifying her. It was like Qualification. Yeah. It was such a qualification. To be qualified because,

**Speaker 0:** you know, that that shows you are the man they're looking for. Otherwise, the other the other way around would be the girls qualifying you. The and I'm sure that 99% of men out there are qualified by women. Yeah. You know, what do you do? Where are from? Not that I'm asking you to ask them boring standard questions. You qualify them with a much higher grade of question like free criteria, for example.

**Speaker 1:** I came up with that one. Come on. Let's clear. Let's let's let's clear. Let's clear this. I do I think in most of my talks, I mentioned the name Bexler when I talk about free criteria and qualification. But if I've missed it out, maybe in no. I think in girlfriend sequence, I mentioned Bexler because I held up the book and I said this is the guy that taught me. But anyway, yeah, sexual qualification, physicality, but that wasn't the gold. The gold was when it was a night of entourage game. Another thing that Bexar did with Anthony and I, he said, well, if you can do the gay daygame thing, the gay game thing, get some numbers on the street and bring these girls to a club, and you might even get a bit of money. And we were like, Jesus. This is amazing. And then he said, and this is how we work the club. The girls sit down and the the free drinks come come and

**Speaker 0:** back to But you can't sell you can't sell them that on the open. You have to still game. Yeah. Oh, yeah. This is not providing. Yeah. By the by are you, by the way? By by the by. Bipolar, I mean this.

**Speaker 1:** But and you host them. You can't just sit them down and give them the drink. I remember you specifically saying, you know, I'm gonna I take the bottle. Watch what happens. Yeah. But never give them the bottle. Never give them. You could tip a bit in their throat just to check their tonsils. Leave them wanting more. But that was precisely I can't remember the club. It probably didn't even exist. It was the one by Oxford Street. Begins with m, I think. What was it? It's probably not even there. We had all these girls in. You did the drinks. Yeah. And what usually happens is the girls then scatter when the music starts. And you would spike their emotions, and a girl kept coming up to me and saying, have you seen Rob? And I said, no. I haven't seen Rob. And then I I would see you and toilets. Yeah. Be on the skip outside. And you and I'd say, mate, there's a girl looking for you. And you said, I know. This is the principal. Right? She's gonna chase. And that was the first time I had seen the power to push, make them chase. And I think we came back here or we were somewhere two steps forward and one step back. It's it's one step forward, two steps back. But it was so counterintuitive. I would never push away a hot girl. She was nice. And we got even back here, and you said, look. She's still texting me. Like, where are you? I'm on the bus. Where are you? And you said, just just leave her, man. Just push her away. Yeah. So that Mufida? No.

**Speaker 0:** Which is legendary. Someone we did. Someone we did. So Maffida was good. I don't know. Too many times out. You know the principle? Yeah. Yeah. Fractionation.

**Speaker 1:** That was like Yeah. You can't just pull. Right? And even in the even in the physicality with you, like, the the body rocking, I'm like, what what is this? Why is he going in and then going out? What and we just sat down and watched a bit of your infields and it's like Still doing it. Yeah. But 100 miles an hour in and then he just walk away. Just literally walk off. Yeah. Like, bye. And to the average guy, that's completely counterintuitive.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. Well, you want them you want them lit you wanna walk away so their their jaw is dropped and, like, what the hell?

**Speaker 1:** Whirlwind roller coaster. That's what I always used to say. Do remember that? Going like a whirlwind roller coaster. You said a lot of shit, mate. Know. I know. But you did say fractionation. That was the first time I heard that word. Yeah. You said you can't be on them. And one of my still is. When I think she's on the hook, I'm just on, on, on, on, on. And if you don't give them that breathing space, she can't chase you. Yeah. Exactly. The the game is to the the ultimate game is to get them to chase you. If they're not chasing you, you're not playing the game correctly. It's the highest form of game. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's

**Speaker 0:** them doing the best. Can get a a sloppy lay where you've, you know, you've you've had to claw and dig to get that lay, but the real satisfaction is when they claw and dig to be with you. It's the highest form of game. Yeah. It's not,

**Speaker 1:** what is it? It's not fool's mate. It's not like the Burger King lay. Oh, and if you want a girlfriend, they're easy to make a girlfriend afterwards. Yeah. Because she's she's invested. Totally.

**Speaker 0:** Deposits. I call it putting down deposits on. So there's ways of doing that as well. You know, when you go to the bar and I give them a little nudge and I cover an empty drink and go, no. It's alright. I can get my own. And they're and they can see the the the shock. And then you can calibrate from that. Are they gonna say, well, I was gonna get you one, and then you can play the game there. Or they're like, no. I won't gonna get you one, but you can see the cheekiness in their face. And then Do still do the sharp elbows opener? Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. It works a treat, and it's quick. Yeah. It's quick. Quick and dirty. In and out. Quick and dirty. Are you following me before I've even got there? Yeah. Yeah. I'm giving up. The thing is, because I use are you following me quite a lot? Yeah. Flip With the peekaboo. You know? But

**Speaker 1:** sometimes they're in front of you, so I had to come up with you following me before I've even got there? Do you still do entourage game? Because it was a lot of work. I remember back in the day, you had lists of hundreds of girls, it was like maintaining all these lists and club promotion and

**Speaker 0:** entourage. Do you still do that? Not much, but every now and then, I'll put on a night where I wanna bring a load of girls to. Yep. So, you know, now and then, let's say three times a year. It was good training. Jesus. Oh, it's great training. Great training. Yeah. Great training. Getting leads, getting them into a club, working them. Yeah. I mean, but it is hard it's a lot harder work than just trying to, you know, get laid as it were. But, you know, you you do feel like a bit of a king. You know, you got your your your harem around you. We were doing so I was doing China Whites. Yep. And it was a top club at its time. All the celebs went there, and I had the main table in the main room, and I had in the VIP room a little table that fit about five or 10, maybe at most. If you squeeze if they're, you know, if they were petite ones from Colombia or whatever. And Fun size. Yeah. Fun size. Right next to the owner of the place. And they said to me, you can promote if you because I kept going there all the time, and I'd always bring load of nice girls. And they said, look, if you keep coming consistently, consistently, you can queue jump, we'll give you free drinks, give you a table, and everyone comes for free girls mainly. And and, you know, me and a few guys I bring along, few PUAs who were promoting with me. And you get paid for it. So I'm like, alright, I'm gonna do that for I did that for a couple of years just for shits and giggles. And obviously, I'd take students out there on a night out, maybe do the old boot camp. So they said you well, you know, maximum you can bring, and they laughed, is a 100 girls that I can do. I said, well, I'll I only do I do things 10% more. So if I can bring a 110, you got a deal. And they went, yeah, whatever. Alright. Cool. That night, a 110 girls. It is no joke. And there are there was one on Kings Road.

**Speaker 1:** Was that The other one wouldn't fit that many. What what was the one by the Ritz hotel? Do you remember the old Prince Harry one? Club and and then opposite we had Mahiki. Mahiki.

**Speaker 0:** We take girls into Mayfair Club which was a normal club on a week end, but a strip club on a weekday. See how they all stripper in there, ain't it? And so you take them in there, and then about 01:00, half one, you bounce them all over, which we know the bounce is very important. Yeah. Bounce them all over to Mahiki, fresh new drinks, fresh new table, fresh new vibe. Yeah. It feels like a second date to the 100 girls. Especially Mahiki, that Caribbean.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. Exactly. Hawaiian. And then so you've done your bounce with that many girls and then you bounce back to the pad Yeah. With as many that will come back. I had no idea that girls were like currency in London. I just had no idea that Yeah. Like and they even said, don't they? The hot of the bird would give you slightly more money if Yeah. You can get a bit Yeah. Well, okay. Yeah. And they said, well, we'd We got more money for tens. And you said to Anthony and me, look, if you you can go out and get phone numbers, so why don't you just bounce them to the club and put them on the list? And we're like Yeah. Win win, boy. I wouldn't know the skill set pays. Yeah. You're like, fuck. Yeah. And then you let preselection kick in. Thing if you need it, a little, like, twisting or a little

**Speaker 0:** bit of weapon to your Batman belt. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. Daygamers don't have experience with entourage because we don't do it, and we can't really do preselection because it's merging. Because it's one on one or two on one max. Yeah. But then seeing that power, as you said, of just letting the girls fight it out. Yeah. A daygamer would never see that, and that's a different type of game. What are your levels? What level is that?

**Speaker 0:** Single set is level one? I mean, that's that's the it depends what what star we're talking because my phases are through stars. So like phase two supernatural game, for example, which is gone. Sign up below. No. No. It's nine Oh, yeah. But do. No.

**Speaker 1:** Supernatural merging sets is

**Speaker 0:** level above. Well, merging sets comes under the the full out pickup. Yep. So that would be let's phase one, technically, but a high end of phase one. But it shows you what daygamers are lacking them. Yeah. Because daygamer wouldn't know how to merge. To where you're where you need to be. Don't don't you go this in the day game? No. Not this in the day But it it is eye open. Saying, don't don't just stick, you know, you should be practicing everything. Yeah. Everything because that will help your day game. Yeah. If you The night game helped your day game. Right? So you went until you went back to day game. Mix sets helped and an aggressive like Leicester Square gutter game helps. If you're just a sweet daygamer, you need to hit Leicester Square at like 1AM. Yeah. And you got guys If do it for a year, hardcore, then you'll go back to daygame going

**Speaker 1:** One on one. Yeah. Yeah. But the bigger topic, the juicier topic Oh, yeah. Is Robert Robert Beck is sitting here and you are, at the moment, single. Right. And ever since I've known Beckster, every time I've met Beckster, the first girl I knew you with was a bisexual Finnish girl, then there was a beautiful English stripper you had,

**Speaker 0:** then you had another bisexual girl. So you seem to maintain your freeway relationship for a while and Three is the magic number. Yeah. And then said on Sesame Street. And And that ended up in two of us, and then that ended up being me now. Just me. So I'm single again on and out to train. But

**Speaker 1:** you you survived the bachelor years of with pulling girls with a girl, you know, an open relationship or a bisexual girl. Yeah. I didn't hide my job. In your eyes, is that I included them in my job. The only cock in the room theory. Yeah. Bring them into your life. You know? But it's just do you reckon it sustains it? It makes it more sustainable. You can keep seducing girls with another girl. Is this Yeah. Of course can. Yeah. Just

**Speaker 0:** they have to be aware of it. They have to be aware of what's going on. So if you're if you're trying to do it and be sly We've all tried that. About it. Well, there you go. It doesn't really it doesn't work that well, does it? It doesn't work. But even those bisexual girls,

**Speaker 1:** I had a Ukrainian recently, and it lasted about a year. She knew what I did. And then after a year She got a bit. Cutting the bollocks off slightly. Yeah. Does that happen to you with even with the most most bikers? Some get a bit jealous, you know, even if they say they're not. Some get a bit jealous.

**Speaker 0:** But, you know, then it I I guess there needs to be a bit of spark of jealousy in every relationship or it's not gonna work, is it? You don't feel wanted or needed. What's better?

**Speaker 1:** See, I got a good memory, mate. Four years. And that brings us on nicely to routines versus just being yourself and crossing your fingers. And if you know my stuff, if you read the first book, you're very aware that I learned routines, I learned old school game, and I learned half of Rob's material, which I still use. And what you do is you ingrain it to the point where suddenly you think it's natural. And you said to me in the beginning, it's got to be what? 80%

**Speaker 0:** like, pickup skills. You know, openers, routines, DHV stories, open loops, you know, all the stuff. Structure, knowing what you're doing Totally. Practicing like a comedian, tweaking it. Yeah. And 20%, you know, what yourself. And then over time, you reduce it seventy thirty and so on until you literally switch it totally around. So it's now 20% the pickup stuff and 80% your the new ingrained natural self, your new best self. Because even though it's really cool to stack openers and constantly do them, you get to where you do you do it naturally. You're naturally, like, saying you've ingrained all the routines and stories. So they just roll off the tongue, but and you can tell them any way you want. They don't they don't have to be totally scripted. Yeah. And that means you have now freestyle with a structure, which is what I call supernatural game because you combine best of both worlds. And that's what I found by going to these China whites in these top clubs that we used to go to, that you had the naturals in there to compete with. Yeah. Right? Because they were promoters. They were just quite natural women. And some footballers and good looking dudes. When I write rose to the top in London as the PUA, then I went to the and I had to rise to the top there. So now I had the best of both of these methods. I combined them together and my results went through the fucking roof Yeah. And that's why called it supernatural game. But the here's the disingenuous bit. With a guy who's come from your background

**Speaker 1:** and you know you know them because you either wing with them or taught them. Yep. And then there was a movement a few years ago where they where people were a little bit embarrassed about routines and they said, no. No. We're just gonna teach guys guys to freestyle and to be themselves and to, you know, just work on them, their value, and that's enough. At the same time, these guys were spitting game in a club, and I'd freeze frame the video and say, I know that line. I know that story. Yep. Because I know where it is. I know I start talking about shoes and you know my shoe. I've got like a million shoe openers. Yeah. Yeah. Well because that's what women love. And you you just say, look, I know where that came from. And I maybe you feel like it's natural now, but it's not it wasn't natural in the beginning. Just like a good comedian. It's not natural if they've said it more than, like, three times. It's not natural anymore, is it? It's now a script.

**Speaker 0:** But it's an autopilot. No. I'm I'm saying natural stuff. No. You've said that, like, 500 times. Yeah. It's not natural anymore. Yeah. And and and if they are just going, oh, your value just has to be enough, and you just have to say hello and and and and have the intent and the honesty of it, then that's enough. No. You've just mentioned four four bits of game out of, like, 500 bits of game that you could have had in your arsenal. Yeah. No one's denying that value is important. No one's denying that meditation is important. Only one little medal to your, you know, your boy scouts. Yeah. And there are guys there are guys out there just using their value, you know, Robbie Williams, God bless him or who they are. But we we But no. But but you have to remember, girls are watching him on TV, so they're following his life. So they're getting the rapport, you know, the sexuality. They're getting it all actually by watching him. Hence, you know Jealousy, preselection. Yeah. That's a fame fame game. Yeah. Exactly. Funny enough, when I sometimes when I bring girls back and some of turn into my girlfriend, I'll just stick my YouTube channel on and go for a shower.

**Speaker 1:** It's, it's porn. It's porn YouTube channel.

**Speaker 0:** Porn harp. I stick my porn harp on and go for a go for a wank. No joke.

**Speaker 1:** Out of fetishes. That that's another topic. Have we got time? Yeah. Time are we on? Yeah. We're good. Yeah. We're Alright. We're good. This just seems to be long and hard, Robert. Yep. Yep. We'll we'll go deeper deep inside another day, but I only glimpse this with you. I think you took me to this really bizarre BDSM meetup. Right? You might not remember. Was We'll just spill the beans. Yeah. It was in a pub. You spill your beans. I did I did in a pub. Got banned. It was just like me and I was I was so naive. I was a primary teacher at the time and Rob said just come along to this meetup. It's like Dom's and he was in like the middle of the afternoon and I can't even remember where it was but yeah, you started introducing me to okay, you get bisexual girl and then you have these things and there's other layers and London has these other layers that you don't know about. So language as well. Yeah. But you do this a lot. It's it's been always been part of When your I started twenty two years ago, I in that same week,

**Speaker 0:** I went to a fetish club and started, you know, all that fun being a dom and all that. I started pickup. Pickup was just before it, like two days before it, and I started learning NLP, neuro linguistic program. So my mind just went boom. 18 years old, it just went expanded into these golden nuggets of like, each of them will change your life. Each of them one aspects of I mentioned will change your life completely cold approach the most. Mhmm. So, yeah, in that first week, my mind was altered immensely and it changed me. It changed me as a person.

**Speaker 1:** But you still have the, like, cold approach is not enough for you really. There's a kinky side to it and

**Speaker 0:** the fattish club side to it and Well, I find people in in in the fattish fattish scene, shall we say. And that doesn't mean see, people think that means like just bending people over a bench even though I do have one in my living room and spanking the shit out of them. That's that's not necessarily it. It could be anything. There's a million fetishes. Like, there's like many types of game. Yeah. Yeah. You know? So it could, you know, it could be that it's like bisexual girls or you could be you you like having two girlfriends at once, which I've done many times. You know, that it what what is your thing? It could be just a fashion of it, you know, you like might be looking at girls in latex. You might go like girls in high heels. Yeah? It doesn't mean like you need to do ultra crazy shit. No. For for birds, it's often psychological, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. It's a it's a It's a psychological game. 50 Shades of Grey. So, you know, it could be a bit alpha. It could be a bit more dom.

**Speaker 1:** But is that collar them up, pull them both through. You know? That's what I've done. As I look above me, there's hooks on Robert's ceiling. And, yeah, it's like being in the sex museum in Amsterdam. There's a device. I just can't believe that's just on show. A bird walks up here for a cup of tea and see. Ball rolling, doesn't it? Quite literally. Yeah. Yeah. Gagging and choking. Is that gonna be a fun now? My my stanking bench? 2,018, we've got to finish with what are you doing? I haven't seen you for four years, and I know you're still teaching. I've just seen a shitload of infield from Finland, which I'm like, Rob, what are you he's like, yeah. This is just on the hard drive. I'm not really doing anything with them. Alright. Okay, mate. So that's the name for 2018. I think to, like, put down the shoe box of I of material, that has to be put down. I'll I'll get I'll get my golden shoebox out, and we can we can thrash it all out. It needs to be As an nun said to the bishop. Yeah. It needs to literally be thrashed out on that table. But what are you doing in 2018? You're in London, but where are you going and what you're doing and what what's the website now? Because the last I heard it was

**Speaker 0:** Bexter Lifestyle. So it's The Bexter Lifestyle is sort of my lifestyle slash pickup. It does videos and it does training, like live training and it does products. So it's just my little fun thing that I've always done. Yep. But I'm also working with Mystery. Mystery and I are business partners, friends, and, you know, we travel the world together touring and doing our thing, our golden ticket events. So Sounds like Willy Wonka's choke. Yeah. Well, it is. It it sort of is. I suppose he is. Yeah. And why we we show magic, you know, magical magical secrets. Not to children. Yeah. But where where's

**Speaker 1:** this roadshow coming? Where's the Barnum Circus? Well Where's the world where are you going? The The cure cure Elixir.

**Speaker 0:** Oh, elixir. So, yeah, we're doing Brazil. So we're doing San Paulo. Rio? Forget Rio and Filolopoulos. I can't remember the middle one. That's the only two cities I know. Yeah. And then we're going South America. Yeah. And we're doing Peru and Argentina and Chile or something. Alright. Yeah. Some anyway, it'd be on the website. Check it out.

**Speaker 1:** That's that's quite soon, is it? Yeah. That's For our British winter. That the first one's twentieth of

**Speaker 0:** twentieth of January, and that will be in Sao Paulo. And so we're doing a two day boot camp, Mystery and I. That's pretty field That's pretty soon. Hands on. Yep.

**Speaker 1:** And

**Speaker 0:** Escaping the British winter's always Yeah. And and do you know what? We're because it's out in Brazil, we've actually made it a lot cheaper than a normal boot camp would be in Europe. Europe. So it pays for your flight and your hotel. Just get out and do it. It's the same price as it would be doing in Europe or America because,

**Speaker 1:** you know I'm surprised you're allowed into South America, Robert, but I'll and then are you I'm not. Are you are you are you still going to Finland for the wearing this beard. What's the annual festival in Finland where everybody looks like a sailor? The anal festival in Finland is

**Speaker 0:** Vapu. Yeah. We're doing a big event. It's a five day event in in Vapu, which means the start of May Day, like May Day, May 1. Yeah. So, yeah, every like, the whole city turns out for two days and it's like a the best daygame fest you've ever seen in your life. Yeah. Because you got introverted, slightly

**Speaker 1:** odd girls suddenly becoming loud, extrovert, and drunk on the street. It's just amazing. It's an amazing the women are so beautiful. Yeah. I love them. They're like angels. I call it fit land, not Finland. Finland, Winland. Yeah. Finland, Winland. Yeah. Finland.

**Speaker 0:** Anywhere else you're going this year? What else on the cards? We're gonna do Barcelona Yeah. As well, Lis Lisbon in Portugal. Yeah. Lisbon. Yeah. And Tel Aviv. So a few of them we've done already last year, which we filmed, put into a nice little product. Not out yet. Tom Tom's like telling me off. He's like, let let's get this show on the road like Four years ago, I probably had the same conversation. Me and Anthony looked at all of Rob's stuff and we're like, oh, this is bloody good, Rob. Right. Well well, John Johnny Strong's actually gonna be helping me with it. So he's gonna help me push me through it. He's like, pick some music for it and all I gotta do is hit render.

**Speaker 1:** Funny enough, John's here. Hello, John.

**Speaker 2:** Hello. Thanks for having me. John, Jonathan?

**Speaker 1:** Johnny. Johnny.

**Speaker 2:** Strong. Yeah. Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** How how do you guys know each other? What's your relationship with Robert? Well, you say about it. Legally.

**Speaker 2:** Legally. Well, I I met Rob what was it? Tinder? Oh, sorry. He was there outside that club. Yeah. I was at I I started doing daygame in it was very early twenty fifteen, and, I wasn't getting anywhere. And I started coming down to London because I'm from Coventry originally, to try and do more sets because I gamed every girl in my hometown, basically. And in October 2016, I I saw Rob outside of Cafe du Paris, and I said, I saw you on that BBC three thing. And we got chatting and I'm still doing that. He was

**Speaker 1:** He was He

**Speaker 2:** He was standing there wearing like a really sharp suit. I remember thinking you kinda looked a bit like James Bond because you can't lean against the wall chatting. Don't don't inflate it or in all that. And just, like, looking in the just I don't know. Just looking very chilled. And and I just sort went over, and I was like, oh, are are you Baxter? And he was like, yeah. And he was really, really kind and really, really polite. And I remember showing him some texts from a girl that I just got on hold for asking some help and and he his advice got me the date with a girl as well. And, you know, since then, I've just I've kind of taken on what I call the Bexterisms, so I kind of use, you know, wanted or needed and three criteria. You need therapy for that, mate. It took me years. I was going through some counseling for for

**Speaker 1:** the filth on my body after hanging around my butt. Total immersion. I mean, talk about, you know, speeding up the learning process, living with somebody and watching it. But grandfather time is upon us, gentlemen. And, thank you to Johnny. Are you coming tomorrow, John? Absolutely. God bless you. Tomorrow is the premier of hustle on. When's this podcast out? This will be out in about five days when I'll be in Abu Dhabi. So so that will be done by then. The the the documentary will be shown by then. It'll be shown. Girls will be approaching me. That's the whole idea. Screaming my name as I walk down the street. Yeah. I'm over picker. Fuck that. It's your baby. It's for losers. Yeah. That's the taxi. But if you don't hear from me ever again, I'm somewhere in Abu Dhabi Right. In the desert. My body's in one place in my head. Hotel there. Oh, well. Abu Dhabi do. And on that note Fuck me. How do you how do you live with this guy? That was podcast a 135 I think with Baxter and Johnny from me Torero from Baxter Torero.

**Speaker 0:** It's been emotional. It's been a pleasure deep inside.