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# Episode 136 Street Hustle To Work Hustle

**Speaker 0:** Tom Torero podcast 136. I have to admit I'm cheating because I'm recording this the day after recording podcast a 135 with Baxter. I still have a hangover from that podcast and we are sitting waiting for the premiere of the daygame documentary. There's the plug hustle on. It's an exciting day. I have to record this now because early tomorrow morning I'm off to Abu Dhabi. I might disappear forever into the sand dunes and my guest today I might not see for a while because I'm traveling maybe he's traveling I might not see him for a few weeks so we're gonna get it done and, I'm still in London it's nice to be back, I am in the Court House Hotel. This is where the premier is and it's a little secret gem actually. If you daygame around Long Acre and Carnaby and you want to date centrally, come into Court House, walk through the reception and you'll find what looks like an innocent bar. And I used to use this for my second venue because if you just go into the bar and you look on the right, you'll see a row of three or four prison cells. And they're real because this used to be a courthouse. And I don't need to tell you why that is amazing for girls because you just drag a girl into one of those cells, you can close the door, it's, you know, you can do the whole have you been a good girl, have you been a naughty girl, you're such a bad girl, what's the naughtiest thing you've ever done, spank you very much. And this place has history, which I won't go into now, but just Google, Marley Bond Court and you'll probably get like Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, John Lennon. This is a dirty place. So I'm happy to be here and sitting next to me is Tom. Do you recognize his voice? Hello, Tom. Hello. For podcast geeks, I mean that hello is probably not enough, Tom. No. You're gonna have to say It's good to be back. Do you recognize that voice? Podcast Geeks, what episode was that? The answer is 73. Eighteen months ago, I was sitting in a park. It was hot. I Yeah. Paddington. Sitting in a park with with, Tom outside Paddington, and it was a rather filthy podcast because Tom was telling us about how he had bad logistics. So he had to, I was gonna say drag, but that's the wrong word. These girls wanted to come with him to the London parks around Buckingham Palace. And that solved the question that we keep getting of guys saying, don't have logistics. I live with my mom. So, shut up. Listen to that podcast. It's seventy three. Use a park or if you're in the courthouse hotel, just by the bar is another gigantic disabled toilet. But that's not what we're talking about today. I had to get Tom back because since then, a lot of stuff's happened. The daygame's still good, but that's not really the point of the podcast. It was sorting out his life so he can do more daygame. And travel. And travel and be free, basically. And you've heard me talk about Tim Ferriss and Digital Nomads. And so many times I say bloody bloody blah this is what you do and 99% of people don't do it and it's quite rare therefore to have somebody come back to me and say oh Tom I I've just quit my job or oh Tom I'm now living abroad or oh Tom I've just done this and when you hear that like three times in a row, Tom kept saying, I've done it. I've done it. I've I've it. And then I was like, holy shit. Okay. Wow. Let's get him on a podcast. And if you're Tom's age, how old are you, Tom? 24. But you started really hustling for this mission. I guess, probably 18?

**Speaker 1:** Yes. Well, at 18, I didn't really know what to do. I knew I wanted to be a guitar player, but that's it. So I had to explore so many different paths.

**Speaker 0:** And then finally, I came to the right path this year. And it's nice how pickup ties into this. So a little bit of this podcast is about pickup because the skill set, as we discovered, was exactly the same thing. It's the same. Yeah. Just different contexts. And what's really interesting and encouraging encouraging is that Tom's just told me he he was pretty shit at school.

**Speaker 1:** Yep. Failed almost every subject apart from music.

**Speaker 0:** And even better than that, there was no university or as you say in America, college, which is 40 to $60 debt. So what were you doing from the age of 18? I think you were in some glamorous job like Sainsbury's which for Americans means Walmart.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. At 18 was Sainsbury's, which is a supermarket for like nine months. I traveled around a bit, but I would always have the same pattern. So I'd always get a job, stay with it for two or three months, get bored of it, and then quit and try to do guitar.

**Speaker 0:** Living with your parents or a parent in a small English town.

**Speaker 1:** Yes. But I traveled a lot as well. So there was a couple of bands I was in in Kent or some other places, but

**Speaker 0:** And getting into pickup, if you didn't listen to podcast, 73, what age were you? Oh my god. That was probably when I was like 20. Okay. Which is a similar time to realizing that you don't like Sainsbury's. How did that all work? We politely politely we say that Tom quit, but the reality is that he got fired probably because you just he just hated it. Well, well, going off from last podcast,

**Speaker 1:** so it was August 2016. That was the last podcast. In the I still had the supermarket job then in December I quit the job or got fired because I handed in the resignation and then after two weeks they let me go because I was basically trying to sell all the customers guitar lessons A hustle within a hustle. Yes. I managed to get two students from doing that anyway,

**Speaker 0:** so it's worth it. So your first thought was to escape Sainsbury's by teaching guitar live?

**Speaker 1:** Yes. Yes. One on one. So yeah, in December, I had like three students. I got two from Sainsbury's who signed up in January, and then the story starts really of how I done it.

**Speaker 0:** Shall I carry on? Yeah. Yeah. So, guys immediately go, well, I don't play the guitar. But, the principle remains. I mean, if I can just add in the quickest hack there. If you really are sitting there going, I don't play the guitar. I don't have a one on one skill set. I've told three guys to do a TEFL course, which is teaching English abroad. You can do it in a month. You can get a dodgy one online probably for a tenner, but then the one for a month cost you a grand, then you have something to teach one on one. So so there are no excuses about one on one teaching. If you can speak English, if you can hear this podcast, you can teach English. And that's what you started to do. You started to teach guitar.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. Exactly. And and the great thing about TEFL is it's all laid out for you. I had to write all my lessons. I had to write a book in December to then teach my students on.

**Speaker 0:** So How do you get the customers?

**Speaker 1:** Okay. So January comes. I have maybe like 500 pounds in my account. The first thing I do is print 10,000 flyers off. How much did that cost? £80. Not much. That's bloody good. Yeah. So then I delivered about five or 7,000 across my town and it wasn't working. Like no one contacted me I got one student eventually after like three months that's a low hit rate yes so I needed to change something then came February and I literally had £30 in my account and I really needed to find students because there's no way I could get another job. So what I started doing was door knocking so that was the best way I thought I need to get people let's just knock every single door in my town and, the first time I done door knocking I think on the twentieth door I managed to sign up two twins

**Speaker 0:** which does that sound like a day game statistic yes it does yes

**Speaker 1:** So I've got a lot of no's, but a lot of kind of respect from people because it's unheard of for a guitar teacher to knock a door. Yes. It's dodgy Irish builders. No offense to the Irish, but you know what I mean. That's beautiful that you're using already the daygame cockiness to knock on people's doors. Yes. And then I'd, I also have a structure for the door knocking. So I don't know if you want me to share that practical. Briefly, I imagine it resembles a sales model, which surprise surprise is the day model. Yeah. So basically a very brief introduction too many people go wrong with introducing themselves for too long. So hey, my name is Tom. I'm from the so and so guitar school. And then you got to state the reason you're at the door. So the reason I'm here and then you hit them with an offer. So the reason I'm here is because I have a couple of free guitar lessons. And then what you do is take it away from them and qualify. So then you yeah. Slick, man. And you read Cialdini. I I know you have, and you understand sales. Yes. And a guy called Grant Cardone. He's really good. Yeah. Legendary.

**Speaker 0:** Cheesy but legendary. And ABC always be closing. Close strong. Glengarry Glen Ross, great movie.

**Speaker 1:** Yes. I don't really watch movies, but But, yeah. It's a it's a sales model. It's a sales model. Yeah. And then be a strong closer at that. Make sure you get their details. Don't wait for them to contact you. So order pickup stuff, basically. Yeah. And then So you were getting a few clients? Well, listen. Yeah. In three months, I managed to get about 20 students, which is way more money than I was earning at Sainsbury's. And you're doing something that you love? Oh, yes. As well. And that's I thought about. Right? So then it came to summer and I was like, I'm stuck in this small town. I wanna travel. How am I gonna travel while teaching guitar? My original plan was actually to get like a 100 students and then hire another guitar teacher to

**Speaker 0:** take over all the students but That is a model that a friend of mine I just met him this morning he does in London for language teaching that is a model but it I think it's take a while and it's more old school than what you did. Yes. And I think as you mentioned before that it can get complicated when you bring other people in. Oh yeah yeah yeah and then just for financial reasons and logistics it's Yes. You're the one man band quite literally he is a musician with a loop pedal a bit of the old Ed Sheeran loop pedal right okay so the the catch 22 with teaching one on one as I know as TEFL teachers know is that you can make a lot of money but you're stuck with students in your small town really you could take a holiday but those students are waiting for you to teach them. You're losing money when you do it as well.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah and you try you were having to travel and people cancel and all this stuff. And I went to do the daygame thing of drop in the city for one month, move to another month because it's where it helps with my YouTube stuff and my Instagram stuff

**Speaker 0:** when I'm always traveling. And you were at that time, I remember you were sacrificing a bit of pickup. You said to me, I'm taking a bit of time off to work on my money. Yeah. To be honest, the whole of last year I didn't daygame at all. I've got a girlfriend for half of the year and then I think I think that's great because mate, you're 24 so who gives a damn. Right? They they I said to you, remember on a call ages ago, the aim of the game is to travel. Yes. And so the million dollar question,

**Speaker 1:** how did you go from one on ones in your town to freedom? Okay. So how I went from one on ones to freedom is by looking at how to do online teaching. So I looked at some things and then I put my own ideas together and I thought if I sell Skype lessons or something, I'm on that line. How can I promote that? How can I

**Speaker 0:** convince people, shall we say? It's a hard sell because Yes. The older generation, the parents paying for the lesson, they don't know what the fuck online Skype guitar is. Skeptical about it at the moment.

**Speaker 1:** But I've managed to come up with some great benefits of online learning such as recording the lessons, such as having an online practice log, which now people prefer the online stuff after they've done it to the actual one on one. It's just the initial fear.

**Speaker 0:** But also, where are you getting these leads from? This was the clever bit. Yes. Here we go. So it came summer.

**Speaker 1:** I I was doing door knocking for online, but again, they was very skeptical because I was at their door and I was trying to sign them up online.

**Speaker 0:** It's confusing for the minute. Yeah. So

**Speaker 1:** I was sitting in a Starbucks in Basingstoke one afternoon. Living the dream? Yep. And I was watching it was a Saturday afternoon. I was watching all these people come past this Starbucks, and I was thinking I need their attention because if I can get their attention, so loads of these people are kids and I was like, they are my perfect students. For teaching guitar? Yes. So I was thinking if I can get these people to get their attention then I should be able to sign them up. So I came up with this idea of getting a banner

**Speaker 0:** Okay. Advertising the guitar lessons. It didn't say Jesus will save your soul, did it? No. It didn't. But it's the same kind of banner. If you can imagine the gym banner or the Jesus loves you banner. Yes. But very important thing, don't put a price on it.

**Speaker 1:** So, yeah. I had this big banner. I wasn't gonna go into shopping malls because of the price that they charge. Yeah. Illegal. Yeah. So what I'd started doing is setting it up on the street where there's high foot traffic. I started just pulling this banner up and Whipping it out. Get a clipboard out

**Speaker 0:** and

**Speaker 1:** Sounds so dodgy, but it but he sent me photos. You sent me video of you doing this, and it looked like a cold approach. It literally does. Yeah. Well, it was a cold approach. Well, at first, I was trying to approach people, but that didn't work. So the best thing to do is stand, smile at people, and then people approach you who's interested in guitar or whatever you're advertising. Yep. Then I sell them on the free lesson and then once they do the free lesson, they you sign them up for the month. It's very important you get a monthly commitment out of them as well. Commitment consistency, read CRD, principles of persuasion. Persuasion. Yes, exactly. Most consultant people make the mistake of just, you know, letting the customer book one lesson, one lesson, one lesson. Now commitment. Exactly. Obviously because I teach guitar online it means I can go to any town any place in England or with a good economy even any country.

**Speaker 0:** Anything with this with an internet connection. Exactly. I can sign up these students and yeah all is good in that way mate the big but was that you phoned me up and I said oh mate how's it going you got this banner he's doing all that you got some leads and you went mate conversions like pretty bad for street hustling yes

**Speaker 1:** yes I I agree. So I've only had two students from the actual street. You had a lot of interest, but a lot of flakes. Yes. A lot of flakes. Maybe it's because I was doing something running the sales cycle, but my target audience really is kids aged from six to 12. So What had an epiphany? Yes. So what I started to do is go to schools.

**Speaker 0:** Don't do don't do this for pickup. No.

**Speaker 1:** I basically started going to schools and when they finish, my banner up for half an hour and take as many names as possible and that worked Such a very sneaky

**Speaker 0:** Such a sneaky method because the kids are gonna go, mommy, mommy. I wanna play the guitar.

**Speaker 1:** And it works. Of course. Five around me, you know, are asking. What's the word? Social social pressure with one parent, another parent. Yep. And another thing I did run on the street, which maybe I should change now if I do streets ever again, is don't try and sell them on the street or at the school. Yeah. What you wanna do is spark attraction in a way and then get them take their details and give them the information when you can close them. Does that sound like daygame?

**Speaker 0:** Exactly. Don't try to oversell on the street. Just get the details. Or you get flakes. I Don't go don't go hard on texts. Just get her on the date. Exactly. So, with the school hustle,

**Speaker 1:** I think I was setting up about quarter past three because you've got to wait for the students to go inside the school or as the teachers come out and basically tell you to go away. So quarter past three, set it up and then when they all come out start taking names. And I get on average three to five contact details, pretty strong leads every day for half an hour. But the conversion rate? It's much better

**Speaker 0:** with the How many you don't need to say your numbers exactly, but what was your target thinking how many people do I need online

**Speaker 1:** okay yeah because basically I charge £99 a month I was thinking I need about 1,000 to 1,500 a month so 10 to 15 students

**Speaker 0:** yeah for day game euro travel that's bang on a thousand pounds if you're an American yeah when I was in Kiev you can actually save money oh mate in Bulgaria yeah you're a king but yeah a grand minimum a grand and a half great $2, you're a pimp. Yes, exactly. So

**Speaker 1:** and you think about it, if I sign up 20 students, a £100, a student, that's only ten hours a week I'm working factoring

**Speaker 0:** in the dropout when some people might cancel their membership or whatever what was your plan for that okay so basically what I do is

**Speaker 1:** get 15 students then I travel, and then say like when five drop out, I come back to England and get more, and then I go and travel again.

**Speaker 0:** It's a great model because like I told you on a we were chatting, I think I was in South America at the time, and I said you gotta to come back to The UK anyway because you're gonna go mad and you got to go see the dentist and you got to see your mom and it's good to come home for a little bit because you got to stay under the ninety days if you're listening and you're interested about tax situation. Look into if you're a British citizen and you're not in The UK for more than ninety days, it's a wonderful loophole, which I use and Tom's gonna use this year, where, you're on a different tax bracket, but look into it. But you have to be strict. So your plan is not to be in The UK for more than ninety days. Yes. Okay. So you set up this system on a platform where you teach people using a webcam and some software and Pretty much all free. It's not Skype by the way. It's something a bit better. Yeah. Because you can see learning notes and you can drag in sheets and lessons and have targets and spreadsheets and all that loads so you set that up and then we said okay you have to test it and I know you had already traveled to you've been to South America, you've to Asia? Only South Korea for like ten days. South Korea? And you I've been to a lot of places. Poland. Went to Poland, but then you wanted to test this model of actually teaching on a Yes. On your laptop. Exactly. So where did you go? I went to Kiev, Ukraine. Which was sounds fine. Sounds like a good idea, dear listener. But I think I told you in one of the podcast, Tom went there in December, which you might know is pretty fucking cold. There was snow and I said take the thermals and but you daygamed and you got leads and dates and and all that good stuff so if I I think I said to you online if you can do that in December, like, it's gonna be so easy gonna be great. In, Czech Republic or Hungary or Poland or whatever. Okay. So, how's it going? This is the stage you're at now what how's it going and what are you gonna do to it to be comfortable

**Speaker 1:** to expand to be comfortable so at the moment I feel fairly comfortable because I get the students to commit a month in advance, which means I can go to a country and I will you know after that month if they quit then I can come back and finish. But now 2018 my plan now is to travel teach and work on YouTube film a video product of you know what I teach take someone from nothing to playing their favorite songs

**Speaker 0:** and being able to sell them that perhaps they can't do the online teaching perhaps you're full it's a that's the peak of online money

**Speaker 1:** and I still haven't worked everything out, but you've just got to get started with things. Yeah. You know, you've got to commit first and figure the rest out later.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. This we'll save that for the end because we got to talk about your character really. You know, why you're the type of person that does it. I think you've got to be slightly mad and spontaneous, which is me and which is fun and every successful guy. Yeah, there's no plan. And we're like, but how much is filming a video product? Oh, yeah. And we're like well, have you got an iPhone? Yeah, fine. Well, we could do it on that. We can do it on a basic camera. How much did this documentary just cost to make? Nothing. It's just so with a laptop and a camera, I mean you film most of your videos on an iPhone and you are Yeah, at the moment, iPhone. It is fine. So yeah, we'll talk about excuses at the end. But plans for 2,018 then, online product? Online product,

**Speaker 1:** I need to touch the book up so it's ready to sell to people who are not my students because at the moment, it's great to teach, but it's not refined enough for Mass market.

**Speaker 0:** Someone else to follow without getting taught by me. That's your book. It's a literal book. It's a paper book. Yes. Yep. But you're gonna work on that as like your entry level if you know about sales. This is your like Yeah. Funnel level one. You want on, different products at different price ranges. Yeah. To free content to begin with? Yep. Level one is like a book. I've been doing that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I give so much free content. Yeah. Yeah. The ninety ten rule. We love, you know, you give, give, give, give. People buy then a PDF or a book. Yeah. Exactly. They buy live coaching with you. Yeah. So that's the hope?

**Speaker 1:** That's it. Well, that works kind of in a different way. So Yeah. The life coaching, I prospect,

**Speaker 0:** I get and I sell people, but that's a different market. But the the hope is once you're on once you have a presence enough people will like they do to me just randomly email me. That's exactly what I want. Yes. That stops the that's a warm approach if you like because I've I've put out value. Yep. I'm not hustling, knocking on doors. I don't I don't do anything and a guy emails me and says, can you come to Abu Dhabi? Yeah. And but the problem is is if you do this model,

**Speaker 1:** that Tom does for example, and you're starting in out,

**Speaker 0:** you're not get you're thinking of money, you're not gonna be, providing enough value to people. Yeah. No. People forget that that took four years of content. Exactly. My YouTube channel, the recent one is only 2014, but I was putting out content from 2011. So, you know, yeah, I agree. There has to be hustling in the beginning. Yeah. Yeah. Is that Selling books, selling online, and then this video course.

**Speaker 1:** Yes.

**Speaker 0:** So I'll put the video course out. I won't force people to buy it. No massive sales pages and all that. Just that That's dead. No. Anyway, email list and Yeah. People know what a sales page is. A character is everything as I keep telling you. Right. You know, this is why YouTube is so phenomenal. People bond with you, with your character, with your your quirks, with, like, crappy video style and, like, they people love it now. Slick Yeah. And cheesy sales, I think, is over.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. And scripted videos where they stand in front of the camera Yeah. With a green screen. Hi.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. I'll tell you three secrets. And the fourth one is if you put your email below. I switch off first and first seconds of those videos. Of course. And, did I tell you to watch the Jake Jake Paul and Logan? Yes. I did. These are for teenage girls. Two brothers, two cocks. They're proper like jocks, but you can't deny their social media savviness.

**Speaker 1:** And their video editing as well, the way it's every five seconds it captures your attention again. Yeah. They were Viners and they hit then they hit YouTube. Yeah. But their understanding of

**Speaker 0:** the funnel is phenomenal. You know? It is. So And, yeah, good little models for pick up. If you if you wanna see a cocky a cocky jock. What do they call them? Chachas, I think in America. Like the high school football team dick. Yeah. Those two brothers come off as absolute because they're clever they ain't stupid that's very very clever anyway let's not talk about them five minutes to go let's talk about you obviously then you're gonna use that money to travel to do pickup bloody bloody blah we all know that but why why did you do it and all your friends and probably a lot of the audience tonight in the premiere, why do they read the book and don't do it? What is it about your character? Can you remember this when you were a kid? Okay. Yeah. Well,

**Speaker 1:** first of all, I've never been I've never had a backup plan as such. So teachers at school was very concerned about me. They used to call my dad all the time because I used to switch off in class. And another thing I remember from an early childhood is sitting with a teacher and him saying Tom I mean it's great that you want to do guitar but we need something as a backup and I said no I'm gonna do guitar and that's it so I think first of all is get rid of backup plans that's the burn your boats thing in it okay yeah because then you have to figure out a way being

**Speaker 0:** broke is one of the most amazing things at times because there's no other option it is yeah I worked in Tesco's and I busked

**Speaker 1:** literally on, you know, 20 p. Well, yeah, for the last five years, I think I've had less than 50 pounds in my account, maybe like 20 times in my life. Yeah.

**Speaker 0:** Again, you're 24. And if I I said congratulations to you because if you're hitting like, let's say a thousand a month now. Yeah. My god, man. It's like multiply that to when you're 30. Yeah. Exactly. And then that's the point where I I'm gonna start paying debts off and things like that. Don't worry about debts when you

**Speaker 1:** have no money because too many people Yeah. What they do is they'd rather work for five years just to pay off some debts. I would say figure out what you wanna do. Start making money from what you do really wanna do, and then worry about paying debts off because

**Speaker 0:** when you start making money. And you sound this is a good thing and a bad thing, but I for this, it's very good. I'm a very impulsive person. I think you are as well that like you discover something, you just wanna do it, like single track mind as well like I'm gonna do it. Oh, yeah. When I was working at Sainsbury's,

**Speaker 1:** after a few months I started signing some students up and I was actually I want to do this and then from that moment I lose all enthusiasm in Sainsbury's or customers and I just focus on that. I don't you know everyone says they're a bit ADHD everyone is ADHD but I I I my attention span in school was so short.

**Speaker 0:** I got you know got told off a plane with the blue tech and all that but it works now because when I decide to do something I just do it and like book a flight book you know take up their game done make a film done That's what you need to train yourself to do is just take action and not worry about all those other

**Speaker 1:** things because so many people worry about,

**Speaker 0:** you know It's gotta be right. My most common emails now are like what camera should I buy? What light? What microphone do you use? Mean, we're we're recording this podcast on a £20 Argos dictaphone that I've had for years. This is the podcast studio. Right? And your iPhone is the the camera.

**Speaker 1:** And how did you write that book on like an old laptop and that's the thing perfectionist they're good at school because you got to be perfect to get good grades

**Speaker 0:** but they're not good in real life because you've got to fail a lot of times. It might have been good in the old model you know when you used to work in a bank for fifty years. Oh, okay. Yeah. But the world has changed, man. You know, since since the iPhone and and Jake and his brother. Paul, this is now how you are gonna earn money and travel, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. And you've got the internet, it's 2,018, so there's no excuse why none of you can not do it, you know. And when people of your parents generation, you know, my mom goes, I don't understand this. What is this? How do you earn money? I don't under What are you doing? You just have to be brave enough to say, look Don't worry. It's fine. Like, the first time I showed my mom my bank balance after it was some video product, some coaching and she actually said wow it's real.

**Speaker 1:** Yes exactly right yeah. Where did that money come from? It came from people from the internet. I think yeah my parents can't quite keep up with me because for the last five years I've literally switched my ideas so many times. So I say I'm gonna do this, and then two months later, I'm like, oh, no. I'm not doing that anymore. I'm doing this. But you sound like now you're a closer. This is it. Yeah. This is finally, after five years, found exactly the right models, what suits my life.

**Speaker 0:** Like three years ago I didn't know I wanted to travel but now I really do know after. And you've tested it. You've done one of the hardest countries first and we will discuss pickup another time but if you can survive Ukraine in winter and you've done a bit of Poland and South America and Asia, then you're gonna be fine. Like, money you were right in that if you had just gone off and done daygame and worked and worked in Sainsbury's, I mean, like, it's a loser strategy that is yeah exactly

**Speaker 1:** that's where I got to last year when I recorded this podcast was yeah I was getting but

**Speaker 0:** my lifestyle wasn't that great I still live with my parents I still had my Sainsbury's job I felt trapped all those questions and I'm tired of these questions when the guy goes are I live in a small town I live with my parents la di da di da what should I do and the answers just move right it's so harsh you have to work out a plan where you don't live with your parents and you go to a city or because I can tell you some solutions for a small town, but they're just bollocks. Like, it's nice to visit your mom, but how old are you? Like, okay, if you're 16 I accept that email but if you're emailing me and you're 35 and you go hi Tom I live with my mom mate you need to

**Speaker 1:** forget daygame just for a year you need to sort yourself out you know yeah it comes thing of you know balancing you know sorting out your life first or do pick up if you're using it as an excuse yeah do do pick up good point you did learn pick up first actually I did yeah yeah yeah good point good point so there's that And one other thing which I've always had this mentality is I've never saved money. I've always I've always worked on increasing income, and I think that's also something. We get told to minimize expenses and to just save money as you can, whereas we never get taught actually just increase the income that you're already earning, spend 95% on your time on making money, and spend only that 5% on

**Speaker 0:** spending it. Yeah. And you you're a minimalist anyway, aren't you, like me? Exactly. I've only got one bag, one guitar.

**Speaker 1:** Every time I buy a new guitar, I have to sell my old one.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. And you're about travel rather than Lamborghinis and stuff. But I would say when you reach about when you've got a nice steady cash flow coming in Yep. And let's say you're 30, I would then definitely switch to saving. Oh, of course. And I'm I was so bad at it until two years ago when I randomly met a guy called Ian, and I met this guy in South America. They taught me they said, Tom, like, when you're 60, you're gonna have no money. You're rich now, but you're just you're the kind of guy who's just gonna Yeah. Flit it all away. And they sat me down and explained, you know, investing and property and compounding and I think that yeah. Of course. Once you got money, hide it away. You know? Yes. But the

**Speaker 1:** problem is is when people are only earning £500 a month and they're trying to save money. It's like increase your income to Yeah. At least a couple of thousand or 2,000 and then worry about saving it when you've got the lifestyle that you want. And what's so cool about you is you've you've just escaped.

**Speaker 0:** You well, you haven't even touched like uni debt, wife and kids, mortgage. You've got to remember that most people out there, I mean, they are paying off serious weight on their shoulders, you know, and that's that's I don't know what that's like. That's trapped in the matrix. Yeah. Yes. But we shall finish with a positive, countries for 2018,

**Speaker 1:** mate, for for daygame, really. Okay. I'm gonna explore some ones that are not talked about too much. So I'm gonna go to Poland next month and then I'm looking to go to Taiwan. I'm gonna go back to South Korea for daygame. Where else? I want to go to Colombia. So I've been to Venezuela and I've got loads of friends from that area.

**Speaker 0:** For the chikas? Yes. Where else? Did you say Taiwan? Yes. Taiwan. I wanna try that. Yeah. If you like Japan, I think oh, well, I've not been, but everyone that raves about Japan raves about Taiwan. Yeah. And this is an interesting point. I think we said it last time. You genuinely like Asian girls. It's not a weasel. Oh, yes. Yes. 100%. Because I've seen you with other nationalities, but you genuinely like Asian girls. I wish I was like you, mate. But What's your problem with them? It's just I don't get horny. I think it's a biological thing. Oh really? No yeah yeah you could I so my mate goes oh look at her she's really hot and I go it's alright put me in Russia or Fuck me. Well, don't fuck me. But Tom, we gotta finish because we're going in now to do a test screening. Tom will be the first person who's ever seen us in a cinema. So thank you, Tom. When am I gonna speak to you next time? Thank you. I have no idea. Sometime when we're travelling. A year? Half a year? No, we're trying to keep it a couple months. Months, you cheeky bastards. Right. Until next time. Thank you, Tom.

**Speaker 1:** And thank you.