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# Episode 139 Return On Investment

**Speaker 0:** Tom Torero podcast, a 139 from a very swanky executive lounge in a very swanky hotel, neither of which apply to me. I'm not a guest in this hotel. Am I meant to be in this lounge, Yad? Yeah. Yeah. I'm with Ian. Ian, is this podcast three, four?

**Speaker 1:** Might be five. Multiple

**Speaker 0:** times you've blessed us with your presence. Maybe last time I saw you was in Japan. No, it was in London for the film premiere, but we had a trip. The last trip we were on was in Japan. And before that, the last podcast you were on, we were in Colombia. Yeah. I do believe. And Ian is the bloke with the points for those people that left comments last time. Ian works online, not only is he a daygamer, but he, you travel business class, you use your points, you collect points. He's a wheeler dealer, but Ian's the guy that helped me with encouraging me to sort out proper flights and how to get a bank card that lets you into airport lounges. But anyway, before we kick off today, it's podcast 139. I'm on my way home from Singapore and I've just happened to bump into Ian. No, not randomly. I knew he was in the same part of the world. So I'm on my way home and Ian's invited me into this executive lounge where everything's free. So, despite being in Asia, we're sitting in air conditioning, eating nice food, and, Ian basically doesn't leave this bubble of a hotel. It's nice to see the local cultural sites, I always think. But today's podcast is on return on investment. Should you give up daygame? What are the results you're getting for the work that you're putting in? And why do some people's results differ? But first of all, I've got to give you a dirty trick of the week I forgot last week. Today's dirty trick of the week, I don't know if you use this in, is to let your phone battery go down before a date. Don't go on a date with a full phone battery. Why, you might be asking me, is because oftentimes you just need to show the girl your phone and say, I need to go and charge it or, you know, you wanna show her your photos or those YouTube videos and she's like, oh, let's watch it on the phone. And then you say, well, the phone, you know, it's it's depleted.

**Speaker 1:** So we just need to pop in here for two minutes. It's a sneaky trick of the week. An extra clever trick actually on that. So if you didn't want to, this isn't something I've done. I just thought, if you didn't want to have a low battery because you might need some power, you can just screenshot your front cover when it is low battery and show her the screenshot. People say I 'm a sneaky bastard, but that is good. 2%

**Speaker 0:** love. 2%. Yeah. And she's like, why does it say Sydney January? No. No. 32 degrees. It will Okay. I like that. Yeah. But I just let it run down before a date. That was the dirty trick of the week. Return on investment. I'm not a businessman. I know nothing about economics, but Ian is a online wheeler dealer businessman. So we thought let's talk about Ian's stats from last year. Very impressive. And I mentioned them somewhere on my website and guys were like, fuck off or just fuck. It was either fuck off or fuck. And guys in the past have said about my daygame expectations video or my realistic daygame statistics where I talk about, you know, one in 30 or one in 50 or one in a 100. And guys take this as mathematical economics go gospel truth. Tom, I did a 100. Where's my lay? If only I could show you my inbox. So we'll talk about that. Return on investment being a simple calculation of, return, either predicted or we're gonna talk about, you know, what you've got. So it's your net profit, or your lays, divided by your assets, what you put in. So for daygamers, that's your total number of approaches. There are guys, and you've heard them on the podcast, with real micromanaging of things in between. But if you want a really good idea, a simple snapshot of your daygame for one year, because remember you've to calculate in the as well. You just say how many lays did you get versus how many approaches did you do? I had an interesting comment last time I spoke about this. A guy said, Do you count an approach as going up to the girl and having an immediate blowout? Lots of guys said, no, I don't count that at all. I count it and I always have with students if we're doing five warm ups and you get five instant blowouts. Yeah. Anytime you step up to a girl and she notices you You've tried. You've tried. Okay. If she literally there was a snow storm or it was foggy and she didn't see you in the mist or the desert sands, no, but she saw you coming and she just walked off. That's an approach. You've approached. That's an approach. So you should, you know, calculate your statistics or you should include them. And in a recent video I did, I said, yeah, daygam's got, you could say a ninety seven percent failure rate if you're a very good daygamer. That's pretty shocking, but that's the truth of cold approach. And I've made many videos on this if you haven't seen it. One, like I said, is called realistic daygame stats. The other one is called daygame is difficult. And I made one a long time ago called PUA marketing spam versus normal expectations. So we'll talk about Ian's stats and why guys have differing ratios. And they say, well, I've been doing daygame as long as Ian or I've done it for longer. You might remember one guy I taught in New York, he said, well, I've done 10,000 and got no lays. You know? Or a guy goes, I've done that. I've done it for six months and I've got three lays. And the guy's scratching his head going, or scratching his ass going, either this is complete bollocks or, you know, why are these results different? Thank you for the chips. We've just been delivered some french fries. Marvelous services. I could get used to this. Instead, I've opted for a scruffy van while Ian flies business class around the world. Anyway, mister Ian, 2017. People have heard a little bit about it if you listen to the Occam's Razor podcast from Columbia. But 2017 is over now. So what were these magical stats?

**Speaker 1:** Okay. So I did very little. It's like hardly any day game compared to previous years. It was a big reduction just in the sheer numbers of approaches I did, which for me is part of the key to the success. So I did two fifty seven approaches. I got 128 contact details, which is incredibly high number close rate, very close to 50%. I don't quite know how I did that. I had thirty one first dates which was a twenty four percent number to date rate for the year. Sounds like date rape but no date rape. No. Date rate. Slept with 13 new girls, which was forty two percent. Forty two percent date to lay rate, 10% number to lay rate, and 19.7 approaches per lay.

**Speaker 0:** Can't be as much in my chips. I might fuck. They're hot. I might have got I

**Speaker 1:** might have got that wrong on my blog. Maybe I said one in sixteen. Where did I get that from? I think you got it slightly wrong, but it was it was a little bit better at that point because

**Speaker 0:** that was a bit wasn't the end of the year. True. Okay. But still, fucking on. If I bang on about one and thirty, guys are going, well, yeah, holy shit. How long has Ian been doing cold approach? What's the answer to that?

**Speaker 1:** Good question. I think it was September 2014. Yeah.

**Speaker 0:** Okay. And then the other paradox you just said, you seem to do less approaches but got a better return on investment. Whereas the guy's going, I crank them out because Tom, you keep telling me to approach more. And I've had Skype sessions where the guy is saying, I'm getting worse the more I do. And guys would go, what the fuck? Like, you should just get better. It should be linear. It should be return on investment. That's what it should be. So have you got an explanation for, was it an anomaly 2017? I saw you infield. I saw you with girls. I saw you dating. You saw me and, yeah, I noticed your good vibe. I noticed there was something going on with IOIs, if you wanna talk about that. You were taking time off. I don't know. Maybe it just maybe it was a glorious year. If you can repeat it this year, I'll quit my job. But what was the secret?

**Speaker 1:** I think there was a few factors. So at the end of 2016, I reflected on the year and there was there was very clear patches where I'd had success and there were clear patches when I'd had lots of failure. And I looked at it and I tried to, you know, why is this? I'm looking at it. And it was all basically vibe and mood. Like, was I actually genuinely wanting to go out and daygame or was it just something that I I developed a habit basically of daygaming because for the first however long I went out nearly every day my routine was get up have my breakfast do some work go out and do daygame and then I got to a point where I wasn't improving anymore at daygame, but I was still going out doing it. And I wasn't enjoying it, and it was actually damaging my vibe doing something that I wasn't particularly enjoying. So that was one of the reasons why I was having patches of failure and and just more vibe due to other things going on in my life. So at the end of 2016, I decided I wanted to try and like the Tim Ferriss talks about the eighty twenty principle. I wanted to try and find the 20% that got me the 80% of my results. So I decided I was gonna daygame a lot less. I was gonna do sessions of daygame a lot less. I was only really gonna do sessions when perhaps I traveled somewhere new to daygame or I was just genuinely in a good mood and thought, well, you know, I wanna bang some new birds. I'm gonna go out. And other than that, I didn't go out. I think when you go out to do sessions, the very nature of doing a session is you approach girls that you're not perhaps that attracted to. You're out to daygame, so you daygame, obviously, because that's what you're out to do. And for me, if I approach a girl that I'm sort of like, you know, she'll do, it's not I have it's not there. I'm not I'm just not clicking. I don't do very well with girls, so I'm not tracking the IOI? Yeah. So that's something that I've been IOI thing is yeah. So I I'm aware of how I split that down into the I categorize there as being like three types. Overt eye wise where she looks at you, maybe she smiles slightly, it's quite obvious. Covert where she's kind of looking at you secretly. If she notices you spot her, she immediately looks away. And then the subconscious, which is the classic like brushing her hair, flicking her hair as she walks past you, she's probably not quite aware she's doing it. So if I see an attractive girl coming towards me, I'm gonna line up as close as I can to her and I'm walking by, I'm looking at her. She might not make eye contact with me, but I'm analyzing everything that she's doing, the way she's walking The hair. The hair, anything she's doing to see if there's anything back. And I get a lot of the time, nowadays, I will approach I base it in my what I do is I'll approach off an IOI or if she's particularly hot. So I won't just approach off an IOI if she's particularly hot. Two of the hottest girls from last year, there was no IOI. They hadn't even seen me at all, but they were just stunning. So I obviously went and spoke to them. Yeah. But stop eating those chips. Oh, god. I'm so hungry. I'm like, you know, a poor boy that's been let into a banquet,

**Speaker 0:** and Ian's just chilling going, yeah. Yeah. I I had steak for breakfast. I'm like, do you have any chips? Do you have any ketchup? I haven't seen food this good in eighties. Okay. Well, like we said, I think in the last podcast, it's not a good strategy if you're a beginner. No. Right? All that stuff we just said about IOIs and taking your time and just feeling the vibe, baby. You know? There's there's that one or two years of grinding shit out and not literally shitting stuff out.

**Speaker 1:** Repeatable as well. I mean, I don't know for a start, but people have asked me if it's you know, why not do more? That's hardly any approaches just under 260. Why not do 500, 750? I mean, I could, but I'm pretty damn sure it's not scalable it's not like if I doubled the amount approaches I'd double the amount of lays because I'd start not enjoying it as much I wouldn't be as optimal so I for me that was at least for that year that was my optimal level.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. What I've noticed with the the guys I've taught at the beginning of a session, you know, and the first question is always how much daygame have you done and how long have you done it for? And guys say, yeah. 5,000, 10,000. And then you say, how many lays? And you do the ROI in your head. Maybe he's never done it before. That's always a shocking one. But you go, mate, this is the payback for all that work you've been doing because some guys genuinely hit the streets and they're really dedicated and they buy the proper leather jacket and they, you know, they they they go on exactly the same street that they've seen in the YouTube video and they go, fuck. It doesn't work. Like so for some people, it's a puzzle. Whereas I see these guys who almost hate it in a way after a while, you know, there's that tiredness and that fatigue. What's missing from many guys we've sat down, and you we were just talking about one guy, perhaps we both met, they miss lightness. They miss any kind of fun. They It's gotta be fun if it's not. It's gotta be fun. If it's not. Yeah. It's just not gonna work. There's there's that negative feedback loop I've spoken about in the past where they they almost hate girls for it. Like, so many rejected me therefore, you know, fuck this one better work fucking bitch, you know. And you can understand why if you do something and it's, you know, 97% is bad enough for a failure rate, but imagine 99.999.

**Speaker 1:** So I can absolutely understand that. I mean, that's something that I notice more of, that the more, like, success I've had, the more I'm kind of pissed off if a girl doesn't give me the time. I guess that's kind of a an arrogance. It's kind of a confidence that is no doubt beneficial in many ways, but it's also I don't think it's particularly healthy either.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. I think I'm not an economist, quite clearly, but I think there's that negative equity where you you end you you're now you're worse than when you started despite opening the restaurant and the business and, you know, you predicted this glorious thing because you read about it in Street Hustle and and now you're in fact you're bankrupt, you know? Tom Torero has told you to go to Kyiv and fuck me. You're angry with girls. You know? Nothing happened. And then I get the email. Why didn't it happen? So what's my first question, do you think, to the guy if I can't see him on Skype, I often say, you know, turn on the camera for a second, not for a sex chat. That's later. We both take our clothes off. You know? That's a bonus. Happy ending. But you gotta look at the guy. So here's some truths, right, which I have said about in, your SMV components, but why do guys results differ? And you're off straight forward with this, Ian, aren't you? Like, you're pretty honest about it. Like, when you meet a student or a guy doing daygame or a guy writes a post and you say, let's have a let's have a look at you, So how does SMB affect these results?

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. Well, that's the thing. If a guy is a male five and he's just starting out and he's approaching sevens and eights, he's not gonna have that easy a time. You've gotta be honest with yourself and know what kind of level you're at. And then through game, hopefully, your SMV should naturally start to increase. Your confidence is gonna grow, so that's gonna help boost. We're lucky as men that our SMV is more complex. It's not just based on our looks, but looks are a factor. I think it'd be a lie to pretend that they're not. If you're morbidly obese and you've got greasy hair and you stink, you're not gonna have much success. You gotta be quite honest with with that. Make the best of yourself. Even like grooming. A simple thing like grooming. Yeah. I mean, that's the lucky thing. Meant what we wear and just grooming can can boost our appearance greatly, and then confidence is a massive factor in our SMB. But you've gotta be honest. Yeah. If a guy is low value and he's approaching hotties,

**Speaker 0:** he's gonna struggle. Yeah. You've gotta fly his In the documentary documentary, Hustle Hustle On, there's the plug, Craig tells the story of having a nervous breakdown because he's only new into the game he was, and then he flies to Belgrade to speak to, like, stunners, quite bitchy stunners. And after the tenth blowout, he goes to the hostel and has a nervous breakdown pretty much and flies home the next day. I think he shits in a bin as well. Oh, I bet. You could ask Craig this, but it's a fucking awesome story. And, yeah, Craig's a high value guy in in all senses, but just too overwhelming because he didn't learn daygame properly where he was from and he didn't have reference experiences and, you know, facing blowouts if you're new, that's quite harsh. So, yeah, being honest about your SMV. Yeah. It's about looks, but also you've got, you know, how how charismatic are you? How are your basic social skills? I was a primary school teacher, right? I was used to speaking in front of hundreds of parents. I was used to speaking in conferences, right? You've got a business background, but also you've got a you own a something social, let's say, in words in, like I was gonna say the entertainment industry. But you come from a background of chatting to people and being relatively normal and social even though neither of us are extroverts?

**Speaker 1:** To an extent, yeah. Although people are often surprised at that because I'm not particularly social, not in groups anyway, I'm quite an introverted type. And it was my early childhood, I wasn't interacting with people that much because I was educated at home, so I missed out on a lot of that. So I was kind of a bit behind in terms of social interactions and developing that muscle. It took a long time, like I lost my virginity quite late and stuff, so it was Yeah.

**Speaker 0:** If you don't know what we're banging on about with the SMV, sexual market value, as Ian said, for a guy who's a lot more complex than just being young and hot, like, is a bird's SMV. So just Google my video, I think it's called SMV components, and you got your looks, which is ascribed, the external stuff, which is being filthy rich, just like Ian. Although Ian doesn't use, and I can promise you this, he doesn't use he doesn't let on to girls at all about this stuff. And you're not really this is all points and, like, not hustles, but stuff you've set up. Really game trip, has it done anyway? Yeah. I'm not attracted to Asian girls at all. Join the club, but, you just like this lifestyle, but I haven't seen you ever use it for girls. But there are guys that do that. And then there's the learn stuff, which is what we're talking about. But, a realistic view of, okay, how is the day game going? And this is why I'm not a big fan of statistics even though I bring guys onto the podcast that have really crazy statistics. I the rough stats, the return on investment, or I ask the student that because you've got to say to yourself after six months of work or a year of work, how's it going? And there's too many guys that go, things all right? And you drill down to that question, how many notches, mate? And you go, oh, I don't know. Really? And he's, come on, mate. How many hours have you put in or what have you sacrificed? So Ian and were talking, earlier over coffee about guys where daygame isn't, for now, the best strategy. Again, it's you're like, what? I should be fucking selling daygame. But, I've 've said to students, daygame is not the best strategy. I'll I'll start off. And if you wanna chip in, mate, because you've met guys where daygame isn't the right thing for them. You might be really, really young. I'm not talking six, but I've taught I think they were 16 years old, these pair of twins many years ago. They were too young. A guy's at university say, hi, Tom. My first year of university. I've just joined uni. How do I dig in? He's like, mate, come on. You're Manchester uni or you're in Harvard, so social circle or getting some basic social skills. What other kinds of guys are, you know, perhaps shouldn't be doing dig in? If they've tried it, I should say, and the return on investment's low.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. I don't I don't think it is for everybody. If you live in a a relatively small city and you don't really travel much, I think there's gonna be better forms that are gonna have a a better return on investment than day daygame. It's ideally suited for someone that does travel a lot like your lifestyle, my lifestyle, or someone that lives in a big city, perfect. But yeah, if you live in a small town or something, then yeah, I'm not saying it won't work, but is it gonna be the best return on investment? I don't know. We've both we both know guys where Tinder is

**Speaker 0:** a better ROI for that matching their SMV and their attempts at daygame. And they show you what they're getting from Tinder, you have to say, well, nice man. If, I mean, if that's what you're getting and remember, game is she's above your SMV. You could say one or two points, and she's younger than you. And, how quickly did you get that And he says, it was easy. Just swiped and then she came over and we had sex. She it's okay. You could laugh at that guy and go, oh, Tinder's it's not good for you, man, but he's getting notches. They're hotter. And he goes out and he tries thousands of sets. I think once if a guy is,

**Speaker 1:** you know, really good looking, then, yeah, Tinder's gonna be great for him, isn't it? If he's Yeah. It's kind of a male tan in looks, then he's gonna be banging the hottest girls that are on Tinder. Yeah. I mean, for me, my I I can't match with hot girls on Tinder. It's just it's it's terrible. Yeah. Like, I just the girls won't take the time of day. I don't consider myself to be unattractive. I'm not stunning. I don't consider myself ugly in any way. But if I spent time on Tinder, I'd probably be fucking well depressed.

**Speaker 0:** And this was tested quite literally with mister a, our mutual friend. Good on mister a, who who documents his stuff. He's been on the podcast. And part of his project, we'll get mister Aon soon because he's nearly concluded or he's nearly there with what what this project, 52 dates. But anyway, for a time, you set him up with a Tinder account because he'd never used it. We both helped him with his pictures. We got Oh, we did some photography. I did some fucking photography. Yeah. And you'd think, okay, we changed the age bracket. So he's a successful guy. He should be, you know, reaping the rewards. But what he was getting from Tinder, that terrible experiment was awful. The ROI was awful compared to experiment,

**Speaker 1:** though. It was Proof of daygame for him. Yeah. I mean, because, yeah, we lied about his age a bit, made him younger, photos we thought were pretty good, but he was matching with, you know, girls in their forties that were not attractive at all, but he can stop girls in their early to mid twenties through daygame that are hot and date them. So

**Speaker 0:** Another type of guy where I've said, do you really wanna do day game is like the 22, 23 year old gym guys, extroverted. I used to have a few on boot camps, less and less now, but, when they turn up, you know, really loud party guys. I say, what what you into? He's like, I fucking love clubbing. I love festivals. I love gym. You're like, mate, well, you should be in festivals and clubs. Right? And just in toilet pools. Like, look at you. Maybe daygame when I say when you're older because daygame really comes into its own in your thirties. It's brilliant. And if you're a bit extrovert or a bit quiet, you like to wander around alone, it's perfect. But if you're a really loud 21 year old, I would be looking at night game or really fast escalation. Yeah. And coming back to daygame later. So that's another example. Can you think of any more guys where or certainly taking a break. Have you met guys with the kind of they're robotic daygamers? They Yeah. We both know guys. Guys that have just

**Speaker 1:** guys that have done too much, and it's not working need to either just give up or at least take a break. Some guys just seem to never take a break and they're just relentless. Yeah. That's the other obviously the big thing with the SMB. Know, where you go is gonna affect that as we know. You change your the marketplace that can have a big factor in your success rate to an extent. Yeah. Arbitrage. Yeah. Yeah.

**Speaker 0:** Alright. Well, let's finish the podcast with your plans for 2018, mister Ian. You change your plans like me, but now I got this fucking van. That was a good way of becoming I have to do what I've done now because I've spent money on it. So I I I'm I'm hope I'll have to fly less because I can't fly with a van. Certain countries I can't take the van into. But you're you know roughly what you're doing or are you gonna go on a bender and do more new countries and loads more air miles and

**Speaker 1:** have you got a rough idea? Well, it seems they do change all the time. When I was in Japan with you, I was thinking that's it. Next year, I'm hardly gonna travel because I had terrible jet lag for like a week. I couldn't sleep. I was like, screw this. Next year, hardly gonna travel. And then a few weeks later, I was like, nah. Next year, I'm gonna travel more. I think I did 68 flights or something last year, and I thought I might do more this year. I still think I might.

**Speaker 0:** You said you were

**Speaker 1:** a bit horny and hungry now after the winter like me. Yeah. Because I did so little daygame last year, and right now, I feel quite hungry, and I'm excited for early spring to start in Europe and get into Europe. I will be going I'll spend until the summer in Europe, probably go to Russia, maybe Ukraine, maybe a bit of time in Poland, and then I'm thinking highly likely go back to South America for a month, maybe six weeks, July, August, just to escape that horrible heat in Europe when all the students have disappeared.

**Speaker 0:** Can you throw in a bit about air miles just very briefly? We'll do another podcast on this because it was much requested, but guys are going, is there a secret to business class? Like, what is the what is the secret hustle? But, no. It's pretty straightforward. Yeah. There's no real secrets.

**Speaker 1:** Anyone can sort of find out the tricks or whatever with a little bit of research, and time. I, you know, every day I keep tabs on on things and know what's happening. I'm fortunate in one extent that my business one of my businesses, I can spend quite a lot of money on credit cards which earn points, but there are other ways. There are something called manufactured spend where you spend money on a credit card without it costing you anything. So an obvious example in relatively recent times was the Bank of England produced £100 commemorative coins, and they were selling them on their website for £100. So I was buying like two and a half thousand pounds worth twice a week with a credit card earning points. They were being delivered to my mom. My mom had paid them into the bank for me, and I'd pay off the credit card. So it it was costing me nothing, but I was putting 5,000 spend through every week. So Proper dull boy. But then with the points, you're, you know, exchanging them for business class, and you do like not for day game, but you do like occasionally staying in nice hotels, don't you? Yeah. Especially if I'm going to a new location, like the first few days when you get the lay of the land because you don't really want to book an Airbnb until you quite know the city. So it's nice to just stay in a nice hotel for a few days, figure the place out, figure out if you want to stay there or not. And if you do, then, you know, you know where you want to book your Airbnb.

**Speaker 0:** What's the card you helped me with? I'm holding it, but it's called World Elite. This is through HSBC. And when we were in South America last year or I can't remember when, you said, Tommy, I know you're an idiot. Like, you know, you're just in economy lounge. You're in economy terminals and you should be in lounges using their shower and getting their free food. That was very easy to set up. That was just going to your bank and switching money to different accounts. So stuff like that. Stuff that I'm lazy to do, Ian's, on the money quite literally.

**Speaker 1:** I mean, another trick with points is the sign up bonuses for some credit cards. So you sign up, you hit the spend, you get the sign up bonus, you close the account, you wait the required amount of months to be eligible for a sign up bonus again, and then you open it again, and you just churn the cards. That's churning it's called. Airline groups, what's that called? Know simple one world? Yeah, you've got a few different alliances. One world alliance which British Airways are in, Qatar Airways, Qantas, I think American Airlines, a few others so you can book any of those airlines with your British Airways, Avios points, the Star Alliance

**Speaker 0:** and the Sky team. Well here's a little dirty trick after yeah, Ian fucked me up. Proper good and proper because lounge access gives you free food. So Tom Torero just gets fat on all this free food and sugar and beer. But then I was in a a lounge at some point last year with Ian going to Russia, I think, and Ian was just filling up his bag with, like, bounce back material.

**Speaker 1:** Was like, mom, get your bounce back beers, mate. Just a fridge with beers in it. Little Yeah. Chocolate bars. Already gone through security, so you can just load up on your liquids, get your packs of nuts, chocolate bars, tea bags.

**Speaker 0:** Hit the ground. Hit the ground. Little chocolates for you know, saves you a trip to the supermarket. So there we go. We are coming towards the end of podcast 139. I am flying back to The United Kingdom. I'm looking forward to getting out of the heat and the humidity and the van is about 80% done. Two guys in Cambridgeshire. I wish I could take credit for all their handiwork, but I know fuck all about insulation and wiring and stuff. I'll be I'll be doing finishing touches like, you know, putting a teddy on the bed. But that sounds quite creepy. The van is quite the whole thing is quite creepy. But when you see it, when you see what it you know, how I use it, it will become less creepy. Or maybe I'll just own the fact that it's very creepy. I wrote an article how it's similar to Death Proof. Have you ever seen that Tarantino movie? It's one of the most fucked up Tarantino movies, off a double bill about an old creepy guy who drive he's a stunt driver and he's and he's made his car so he can be safe on one side. Yeah. Yeah. But he picks up girls and and kills them. That is not the legal disclaimer is that that is not what the plan is for. But you're staying around here just to escape the the dam for a while? Yeah. Well, I've only arrived a few days ago,

**Speaker 1:** but I'm already looking forward to getting back to Europe. So, yeah, not here. Facing legging. No. I'm not a fan of the weather or any of it, really. It was just an escape. Yeah. It's not that long and I'll be back in Europe thankfully. This was instead of South America, wouldn't it? We usually do.

**Speaker 0:** The idea is, you know, winter in South America is a daygamers problem unless you want to go down to Sydney or Cape Town. But, yeah, not a fan of Asian daygame, but thank you for the free chips, Ian, and the free podcast and for this lounge. I feel I feel out of place, but they haven't spotted me yet. I'm quite smart today, actually. Usually, I into executive lounges like the one in Abu Dhabi and Oman, fucking, you know, boots and dirty jeans and everyone just looks up, and you've got that impostor syndrome. I am allowed to be in that lounge. I am allowed to be in that lounge, but you'll be doing all this VIP stuff, and I'll be in a van. So until next week when maybe I can pick up the van or at least go and see how the van's getting on, I'll give you an update. I might release the first episode, by the way. I've been filming loads of clips on buying the van and kitting it out and what's it for so that's this year's project unveiled alright until next time thank you