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# Episode 156 Older Guy Daygame

**Speaker 0:** Hola hola Tom Torero podcast a 156 viva la podcast viva la jet lag from South America I'm in Colombia right now. I'm in South America for a month or so chasing peachy ass, ample boobed, petite brunettes. Of course, that's the draw, but I'm also seeing friends and sorting out property stuff, dealing with business stuff. That makes me sound very gangster ish. I assure you this is all legal and I'm drinking coffee with sugar avoiding the other white stuff but here I am in South America sounding croaky because it's the morning here but it's the afternoon in England whatever. I'm getting over jet lag but it seems to be getting worse as I get older and that's tying in to today's topic a long time coming that's what she said, older guy daygame. And this year specifically with the van travel pushing it as hard as I could to the limits, I thought, hell, how long can I continue this for? Daygaming, dating, being inspired, being interested in girls, travel, etcetera. And I'm 38, 39 this year and on the road, I've taught, I've met, I've winged with, I've had beers with and now I've had email conversations with guys that are in their late forties and fifties and they're still single, they're still doing it, they're still chasing girls, chasing tail, having a good time on the road. So many people have asked how long can you keep doing it for, what impact does age have what are the specific problems what's the specific advice what about the sugar daddy thing what about the end goal the end game is it still looking for the one is it having a harem? Is it buying a van and fucking off around Europe? What's the endgame? Well, Keith Richards of Rolling Stones fame, he said, I'm not getting older, I'm evolving. So that's the underlying theme of this podcast and the podcast today is not me rambling on, ranting on. It's three guys that sent me audios very kindly. Remember, you might remember that I asked a while back for older guys to email me, get in touch if they wanted to be on the podcast. Many did and I sent out questions to them and these three guys very kindly sent audios of their answers. The first one is mister s. He's in The United States Of America. God bless The US Of A. He's 50 years old, divorced. He's got kids and you'll hear about him daygaming in New York and elsewhere in The States and how he gets girls that are twenty years younger than himself, the difference, with daygame to when he used to do online dating. So that's mister s, he's first up. Secondly, it's mister m, an Englishman like myself, an English gentleman. He's 52. He's not been married. He doesn't have kids. So he's the perpetual bachelor, mister Darcy. And he daygames largely in parks or stationary sets on his bicycle, an interesting chap, a very interesting answer. So he's coming up second. I was gonna say coming up the rear, but we will have none of that today, gentlemen. And thirdly is Ioannis from Greece, mister I, 48 years old, so the youngest man in today's rat pack and he will seduce you just with his sexy voice. I mean, you're thinking, fuck Tom Torero, you have a very sexy jetlag voice. I know that's what you're thinking right now, but wait till you hear our third and final guest in today's podcast. A beautiful velvet, rich chocolatey voice and an interesting story about how he's he's doing it in Greece. He's traveling. He also is the perpetual bachelor, you'll you'll hear from him. If you want to get more on this stuff, then of course, will be a future theme as I age, as you age with me, as I move into my forties and then my fifties, let's see how long I can keep going for. I've said I'm gonna stop talking about day game, being a day game teacher so to speak when I'm 50 because I don't really wanna be making content after that about daygame I suspect but will I stop chasing tail, traveling, trying to sleep with girls who are twenty years younger than me half my age, will I stop that? No. Okay and I've said in other black sheep posts about my plans for will I get married, will I settle down, will I have kids, will I be lonely, is this selfish, all that stuff I'll link in a post below because a podcast like this will generate those questions. I have done other podcasts in the past, don't forget with the real Hank Moody, an American daygamer in his early fifties, that's podcast 26 that's a very good listen and you'll remember a regular podcast guest somebody who's got their own channel about older guy daygame it's mister a he's British he lives in Poland so two podcasts with him one on his fifty two first date project and he's in his early fifties that's podcast 96 and at the end of that project how did he get on is he still looking for the one that podcast is a 149 called divided loyalties. I will link all these in a blog post related to this show because there's too many. And I did one I think a long time ago. Yes, daygame for 30 plus guys. That's when I was a younger man. That's podcast 23. So if you're in your twenties getting into your thirties listen to that one too. But today's podcast is for guys specifically who are in their late forties, early fifties and thinking can I continue? Do I need to do online dating? What about the social shame of dating younger girls? What about the social pressure from friends and family for settling down and buying that second car? What about if you have kids? Today's first guest has kids and he day games. What about your energy levels? What about your grooming? What about your fitness? Of course. What about the highs? So stories from all these guys and of course the lows. We have to balance it out. What adaptations do you make? What can you do to avoid the provider trap, what's the end game for these guys as I've said, is there a cut off point or is it all in our heads? And finally, all these guests will answer advice for guys in their twenties and thirties to age well. As Keith Richard said, don't age, just evolve. So without further ado, and once again, thank you to mister s, mister m, and Johannes. We shall begin with mister s.

**Speaker 1:** Hey, Tom. I I am recording answers to your old guy daygame questions. This is let's call me mister s. As you can tell from my sexy American accent, I am from The US. I'm 50 years old. I started daygaming right after I got divorced at age 47. So that was three years ago. But the first two years, I really fell into that keyboard jockey trap. I mean, it took me two full years to get 200 sets done, so that part was not good. I've since amped it up a lot over the past year, and I've done a total of I'm right at 600 approaches now. Little bit complicated by the fact that I've got kids that live with me half the time. So that makes that that eats into my my daygaming time quite a bit and dating time a lot, but but that's where I am. What have been some of the highs of daygame? So I'm 50 right now, and I dabbled a little bit when I first got divorced. I dabbled in online dating, and I was just repelled by the quality that I was getting. And it was women that were roughly my age, a little bit younger than me, but not much. So one of the biggest highs has just been the ability to get girls pretty consistently who are about twenty years younger than me. The sweet spot for me currently seems to be right around 30. And I've I've dated some girls mid twenties also. But, yeah, that's the biggest thing is literally dating girls half my age. Some specifics. I had a regular when I was traveling to New York last summer. I did like four trips to New York over the summer, and I got a regular that would that would just bang me like a maniac as soon as I get to got to town. And she was really into being dominated and she liked being choked. She was just wild in bed so and she's about twenty years younger than me. That was the highlight. I had a regular back home who I'd always had this on the bucket list. I wanted to get a lay in a hotel bathroom. I mean a public bathroom like a nightclub bathroom and I did that with her. That was pretty cool and that was early on it wasn't the first time I slept with her but it was early on. Probably the biggest high for me is was getting a handle on my AA because I had AA so bad. I felt so weird about hitting on girls that were, you know, significantly younger than me in The US. That's such a, you know, taboo thing that if, you know, you shouldn't not supposed to date somebody that's where there's more than a ten year age difference, and here I am hitting on girls, and I'm literally their father's age. So I felt weird about it, and it took me a while to get over that. So, yeah, that that probably if I had to say what's the thing that really makes me feel like a badass, it's getting past the AA and getting to the point where I feel like yeah. If I feel like approaching, I know I can do it. What have been some of the lows? Well, I just talked about the AA thing. So that would be the biggest one. The one that just repeated itself over and over so many times to me was early on in those first couple of years, I would go out. I might spend an hour and a half, two hours walking around and just weaseling on set after set after set and just then just beating myself up about it. So and that was just this recurring theme of yeah. It was just a bad spiral to get into. So that was a big low. During that same time, it was probably during my first 100 sets somewhere in there. I did an approach on a cute girl, probably early twenties, and I happened to be feeling good that day. Do a good job on the front stop, get right in front of her, do the opener. I think I stacked, and then she just looked me up and down and said something like, no offense, but I think there's too much of an age difference, and they walked around me. And so not not actually all that bad. I'd get that now, I would, like, either say something smart ass in response or or laugh about it or whatever. At the time, it felt like she stabbed me in the chest. Oh my god. That's the thing I'm sensitive about. So that was that was a real low point because I was just very direct at that stage. What other lows? All the you know, there's so many highs and lows. There have been sets, girls that seemed really on. The set was great. The texting was great. And then just something goes awry. We made her out on day one. I've had them where I got a girl out on day one and I'm certain, okay, day two, I'm gonna I'm gonna get the lay, and then she flakes at the last minute or she can't. So I've had a handful of those where I just thought, oh, I'm just I'm so close, and then it falls apart. And that is a little bit of blue ball hell. That's a no. But part of the game. Number six, what adaptations have you made to make daygaming as an older guy? To daygame as an older guy? So 50 year old, I was never in terrible shape, but I'm really focused on it now. I lift weights about four times a week. I eat a really good diet. I'm not nobody's gonna mistake me for a bodybuilder, but but I'm in good shape. And I really believe you can you can add or subtract ten years off of your age based on whether you're in good shape or bad shape. So for an older guy, I think it's really important to, you know, not have a belly. Not that you can't do it, just you'll you'll get, I think, better results if you watch your weight, stay physically fit. On along those same lines, I dress with a lot more fitted clothes than I did pregame. My hair, I I was my hair was thinning. It wasn't terrible, but it bothered me. That's the key part. I would, like, look at myself in the mirror and I'd obsess about whether I was losing my hair or not. And finally, after thinking about it forever, I shaved my head, and I've never never regretted it. It definitely was a better move. I should have done it a long time ago. And aside from it looking, I think it's a very masculine look, the biggest benefit is I do not obsess over my hair zero where I used to a lot I was always sweating you know whether the girl thought I looked like I was losing my hair. It was it's a very zero fucks given kind of thing to do to shave your head as opposed to walking around stressing about whether you're losing your hair or not. And as far as responses from girls I don't get girls saying they love it and I a lot of the girls women that I knew before I shaved my head gave me a lot of shit about it when I first did it. Like what are you doing that for? You still have hair. Why are shaving your head? And so it's not that the girl it really has more to do with your own attitude. It's like it's like, fuck it. I own it, you know? I got a shaved head. Yeah. I got no hair. Big deal. It it more it has more to do with your psychology than it does to do with your hair. Number seven, how do you avoid the provider trap that older guy dating often falls into? So pre marriage, so this is back in my, you know, twenties, early thirties, whenever I went out with a girl, I would always take her to dinner, and I would usually take her to someplace really nice with the underlying message being I'm trying to impress you with how successful I am. So now I don't ever do that. First of all, don't take a girl to dinner, like, ever. I'll whenever I make the date request, it's drinks, unless for some reason I have to do it during the day, then it's coffee. And it's definitely, it's not a dinner date. It might be some place where, you know, tapas are available, and maybe we get a little something to eat. It really just depends, but I'm not specifically taking her out in any way to impress her. The places that I pick, you know, it might be like some patio wine bar. It might be, more of a pub, but I am not at in any way going out of my way to impress her by how much money I'm spending on her. Just in fact, if anything, I'm doing just the exact opposite. I'm I'm I pick up the bill because I think it's weird for, you know, me to try to split a bill with a girl that's, you know, half my age. But I'm not I'm not I'm not trying to impress her. I'm going out of my way to not impress her with how much money I'm spending. Also, when I daygame, often I'm doing it in shorts and a t shirt. So I'm not dressing in a way in fact, most of the time just because of the weather, it being hot, that's usually what I'm doing. So she shouldn't have any kind of provider. I mean, only provider signal I'm giving off in that scenario is that I'm older. Might come up what I do for a living. But, yeah, I'm definitely not broadcasting any provider signals. I'm not forcing I'm not doing any of the DHVs to like mention what I do for a living or try to make it sound like I'm super well off. I might mention travel, but not really to impress. Just not not to impress her in a provider way, just to impress in terms of, oh, this guy's got an interesting lifestyle. I have daygamed occasionally wearing a suit, but that's when I'm working. I'm wearing a suit for work. I just happen to be that's what I'm wearing, and I happen to decide to daygame. And I haven't noticed big differences when I've done that. The results are similar, maybe a little bit better. Think with an older guy it fits fits who you are a little bit better. But I mean I'm just wearing a suit. I don't wear any jewelry. So definitely no Rolex, no fancy rings or anything that, you know, where I'm I'm looking I'm trying to send out any signals that I've got money. Just a bald dude in a suit. Number eight, what is your end game now or your end goal for game? I'm not a huge believer in lifelong partners at least for myself since I've been divorced. I've only had one exclusive girlfriend and that was right after I got divorced and I very quickly realized that that was not for me. So since then I've dated, no commitments of any kind and usually if I'm dating the girl at some point within you know a few months it's going to come to an end because she's going to want some kind of commitment. So basically I like variety. I kind of get tired. I was married for twelve years so the last thing I want to do is be having sex with the same girl over and over for an extended long time. I wouldn't write off the possibility at some point in the future of long term relationship. I'm not like jaded against women or relationships. I just don't have any desire for that right now and I don't see it anytime in the near future. So, yeah, that's that's kind of my my take on that. At what age do you think daygame is no longer possible for a guy? I think this is really a 100% dependent on the guy. I just don't believe there's any hard black line that says, okay. You can do it when you're 49, but as soon as you hit 50, you're done. Or you can do it when you're 39. You can't do it when you're 40. So depending on the guy and the age, I think you could keep it up almost as long as you want to as long as you have the interest and desire to do it. The caveat is the older you get the harder it becomes to get younger women So I do think there's a it's not a hard black line, but there's a line, a fuzzy line, I guess. Like, I'm 50. I think I can pass for early forties. And it is hard to get a girl who's nineteen twenty interested in me believe me I have tried so it is it is not easy to do that not impossible it does happen I've gotten university students phone numbers and some that seem very interested haven't slept with any but it's possible but at my age it's pretty tough. That's been my experience so far and that's been my experience I should point out. I've only daygamed in The US. I really think there's good possibility that the age issue in other countries like if you go to Central America or maybe you go to Eastern Europe, you get less of an objection about the age differential. But that's the bigger sticking point to me. So even if you're let's say your late fifties, if you're late fifties and you're really in good shape, think it's totally possible to daygame women who are, you know, thirties, late thirties, and there's even some women who were in their early forties who are who are quite good looking. That's definitely possible. But I think getting below like a twenty year age difference possible but tough. Last one advice for guys in their 20s and 30s to keep their shit together so that they are prepared when they get to their 40s and 50s. Okay. And it's not specifically related to daygame but just general advice for younger guys. One, I wouldn't I would advise any guy don't get married until at least 35 preferably 40. And don't get married just because you think you're supposed to. That's why I got married. I felt like, well, that's what I'm supposed to do at this stage of my life. Don't do it unless you just really want to. And to me the big one would be if you really are excited about I wanna have a family, wanna raise kids, then that's that's I wouldn't discourage guys from doing that I have kids and and it's it can be a great experience. Second thing on the kid issue do not be very very careful about getting a girl accidentally pregnant. My profession is I'm a divorce lawyer and you get a girl pregnant you don't have a choice she can have the baby and it doesn't that that creates two things at least here in The US that means you're gonna be paying her child support and depending on how much money you make, I mean over the life of paying child support it could cost you a quarter of $1,000,000, maybe more just depends on where you are and what the child support ends up being. So it can cost you a ton of money but even worse than that, you can be in this really messed up situation where you have a kid with somebody who really you only were interested in having sex with her and maybe she's probably not the person that if you were gonna have a kid that you would pick to be the mother of your child so that be really really careful about that. Guys worry like crazy about getting STDs they should worry much more about accidentally getting a girl knocked up. As far as other more day game specific related stuff, I would say go ahead if you're not in shape, if you don't have a habit of exercise. And I'm not talking about turning yourself into you know you don't have to be meathead gym rat and the guy with the best body everywhere he goes I just mean keep yourself in shape get in the habit of eating fairly healthy, get in the habit of going to the gym because it's so much easier to develop a habit of being healthy and in shape than it is to decide, okay. I'm 40. My health is shit. My fitness is shit. And now I'm gonna try to get in shape for the first time ever. It can be done, but it's so much easier to just sort of maintain it and and just make it a part of your your lifestyle. Okay. Lastly, on that same bit of advice or that same the the idea of daygaming for guys out there, whether they're young or old, my last bit of advice would be if you fell in you're falling into the trap that I fell into, which is to spend a bunch time looking at videos, reading PDFs, spending all this time studying daygame, thinking about daygame but not doing it, then if you can't get yourself to approach, get a wing, schedule a boot camp, schedule a coaching session with, you know, somebody good and reputable. Do anything you have to do. If you're in The US, work and, you know, use it like a batting cage to just to just get practice in. But do whatever you have to do to get a whole bunch of sets done. And that's it. So hope that helps. Cheers, Tom.

**Speaker 2:** Hi, Tom. Thanks very much for asking me to contribute to your podcast. I listened to the over 50 podcasts that you produced a while back with great interest, and it's was very interesting. I'm looking forward to hearing other plus 50 daygamers' contributions. Anyway, you ask, how old am I now? I'm 52 be precise. What age did I start daygaming? I was 47. It's almost exactly five years ago. I remember the date very well. Was the 06/03/2013 and my ex girlfriend, a Finnish student, had gone back to Finland and got engaged and that was a heart wrenching emotional time. And I was working at the time as a chauffeur at the Hayao Mai Book Festival. And I remember thinking when this is over I'm gonna go back and get into daygame seriously. How much daygame have I done over those years? Not as much as probably I should have, but I would imagine somewhere in the region of thousands to 1,500 approaches. The reason I think that is I'm self employed and I take days off when it's very sunny so that I can go out into the parks on my bike and do my 10 approaches per session. There's usually around about twenty five to thirty days per year which are really sunny, unbroken sunshine And that's when there are gonna be girls out in the park lying down sunbathing. I tend to go for the stationary low hung fruit, so to speak. And yeah, so you know roughly 25, 30 sessions a year over five years. I ran between a 1,500. What have been some of the highs? Well obviously the first daygame lay sticks out literally. In this case, my first lay was actually a say day lay with a 34 year old Welsh girl down from Swansea on a course at the local uni. She was lying down reading a book, studying physiotherapy, and the book had lots of pictures of bodies in it, gave rise to fruity conversation. Anyway, we had an instant date and everything went well. She was planning on heading to pool that evening to see some friends, but she never made it. So that certainly showed me what was possible. My second daygame lay was with a Polish girl who was engaged to a French merchant seaman. I can imagine him being swarthy and no doubt equipped with the stiletto and but he was halfway around the Pacific at the time. So that was that was interesting. Funny enough, without knowing it, I actually approached her sister about a year ago. Saw her sunbathing in the park and struck up a conversation with her and suddenly realized she realized who I was. She knew all about me. Anyway, I'm told she's no longer engaged. What have been some of the lows? Well, one especially sticks out. I met a Swiss German girl in Bournemouth doing some daygame with some fellow daygamers. I remember daringly teasing her mercilessly about her style pretty much straight off the bat. Well, she got me straight away. She knew I was being the sort of cheeky chappy. It's quite surprising that she got me being Swiss and just shows that stereotypical national archetypes don't always apply. She had a nose piercing. She had abandoned Zurich for London. She found Zurich somewhat boring. Anyway, we swapped numbers and I texted her for the next two weeks until we arranged to meet up in Covent Garden. She lived in London. Anyway, upon arriving, I called her up, having forgotten what she looked like in fact. I remember asking mates, I said, do you remember that girl we met in a shoe shop? What's she like? And he said, oh, she's alright. So I'm thinking, god. I'm going out to London for a very average date, but I love London anyway. I love London anyway, so I thought, solid. I'll go up there anyway. Got up to Covent Garden, dialed her number, and I remember seeing this girl about 30 feet away answering her phone and thinking, God, it's not her. She's gorgeous. And he blimb it was. She raced over to me, put her arms around me. And then we went up to Punch and Judy and she offered to get the first beer in. And now I'm thinking, Oh my God, I'm in love. Any girl that offers the first beer I'm definitely predisposed to. So yeah, we had a great time. Went across the Millennium Bridge. We went to the South Bank up to Camden, all over the place. And, you know, 08:00 at night, she says, come on, let's go and get something to eat. So I'm thinking the date's going pretty well. Anyway, we passed at the end of the night. She went on a bus back to Holloway. I went on a bus back to Waterloo and never saw her again. So it just goes to show sometimes you can be a little bit too comfortable in dates and you know you think things are going well but they're not you know who knows but another low was $20.15 I had a really long dry spell went out daygame fishing which is how I see it Very much just fishing as usual but my bait wasn't working and I didn't even really even so much as an old boozer shopping trolley. So enough said about that. What adaptations have I made to daygaming as an older guy? That's a difficult question to answer as I haven't actually daygamed as a younger guy. I suppose on parents in a general, I've always observed other guys, not in a gay way, but observe what looks good and and then nix that. So if I think pair of shoes look good, I'll go out and find a pair of shoes that look good also. Know jeans, cuts of jeans, whatever. There's plenty of websites out there that can advise on style as well. Our shopping assistants, that's a great way of chatting up shopping assistants. So I think just generally be aware of what looks good really. As for energy, I have adapted my energy since starting out in daygame, but this has got nothing to do with age. Simply experience, when I first went out, was very high energy, trying to grab attention, get attraction as you would do in a nightclub, But I was scaring all the girls off and now I just focus on being as friendly and as normal as possible. I would maintain that comfort is the first aim when approaching during the day. You don't want to be too clever. I wouldn't go necessarily indirect, not that there's anything wrong with that, but I'm a bit of the sort of bad boy cheeky chappy, teaser girl straight off the bat, but you've got to do it in a way that makes sure that she knows that you're being a little bit cheeky. And some girls won't won't appreciate it, you know, and just just just accept this, you know. You you approach 10 girls, are gonna love you straight off the bat, some are gonna hate you, most are actually gonna be in the middle and you have to adapt to how the girl responds to whatever your approach is. You can always backstep and say oh I'm sorry I was only kidding you know I just thought your hair looked nice. So yeah, I don't think it has anything to do with age but that's just through experience really. How do you avoid the boyfriend provider sugar daddy trap that's older guy dating often falls into? I've never fell into that trap. I just don't view myself that way. I don't want a girl that wants to use me for money or indeed views me as a sugar daddy. There's no sugar anyway and I'm literally not a daddy. So I just don't view myself that way. I can honestly say, and I'm probably lucky as I've never been married, no kids, that I genuinely don't feel any different now until when I 25. I live exactly the same lifestyle. You know, I've got my humble little flat and I hit the town on a Friday or Saturday, you know, I'm free. So I guess I'm lucky in that regard. But, you know I've got mates that are married and they do have hang ups about it saying things like oh she's young enough to be my daughter. Girls aren't worried about age in the same way that we are, so I I think just hold that thought really. What's my goal end goal now for game?

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**Speaker 2:** would be great to meet, you know, my future wife, if I'm honest. Just like mister A on that one. But she's gotta be the right girl. It's a very rare thing when you meet a girl, you think, my god, marriage material. And even if you did and, you know, you fall in love, that's not gonna last forever. That oxytocin hits, you know, nine months down the road, you settle down. And it it it's so rare anyway to meet someone like that that I think the alternative thing I'm looking for is to be is to have a rotation to be honest with you where you've got you know two or three girlfriends on the go and it's an open situation and that leaves your options open to find the right one anyway and if you don't you're having a good time in the meantime. Which brings me to the next question, why do you think that they get that that daygame is no longer possible for a guy? Who knows? God. I suspect that there a statistical bell curve at play going on here in that I think it's quite realistic for a guy to attract a girl that's twenty to thirty years younger than himself. But obviously, that is gonna shift. So, you know, okay, you get to 70. You're gonna be able to date girls that are 50, Maybe 40. But do I find girls that are between 40 and 50 attractive? They can be lovely personalities and so forth, but you know, obviously, you know, let's face it, the looks are going to have gone a little bit. Am I going to find a 25 to 30 year old attractive at that? Yeah, it's always going to be the case. So is the drawbridge closing? It may well be, but I thought this at the age of 30 anyway. I thought oh well that's it, Game over. So who knows? I don't know if there's anyone, you know, in that age bracket that's still doing day game. You know, I'd be interested to hear from them. Extra advice for guys in their twenties and thirties in order to keep everything together and prepare themselves for forties and fifties and beyond. I don't think it's any different. I I, you know, I mean, my my best piece of advice would be forget material things. I don't think girls are that worried about it. I remember an ex girlfriend saying to me, because I was very materialistic in my twenties, and she said, I would live with you in a cave. She didn't care about all that stuff. And to be honest with you, I don't want to encounter a girl that does. You know, women can make their own money these days. You know, if you decide you're serious about going and you want to settle down and get married, it's only money. You can set out and make money if you really need to and you feel motivated to, so I don't think that's that's really an issue. Forget in a game, that just takes care of itself just through sheer practice. I would say biggest piece of advice actually would be, to be honest with you, ditch the car, get out on your bike, walk, get the train, get on the bus, go into parks and just engage girls in conversation and practice. You know, that that's what I would say. So, anyway, I hope my words of well, I'm not sure they're words of wisdom, but I I hope my my insights are of help to others. So thanks very much.

**Speaker 3:** Hey, Tom. Ioannis here from Greece. Thank you for the opportunity to be part of your podcast. So let's see if I can figure out how to answer these questions. Question number one, how old are you? I just turned 48. Question number two, at what days did you start daygaming? I started really dabbling about it in 2012, but it was really difficult for me to get started. I really got started at 2016. Number three, how much daygame have you done? Number of opens. I should say I'm around 300 sets, maybe 400. Definitely not more than 400 sets. Number four, what have been some of the highs? There have been many highs. Even though I'm 48, I really like very young women, like, between 18 and 23. And I still have this thing. I know you don't approve, Tom, of preferring, like, virginal, very innocent looking girls. Now I do know that just because they're innocent looking, it doesn't mean they are innocent, but I just prefer the style. So some of the highs I've been finding these girls. Last year, I met one in the actual in the airplane while going to Bucharest. Then, again, last year, I met another one, an 18 year old, while traveling to Marrakesh in Morocco. I met another one, this was this year, in Serbia. Now I usually travel with a friend of mine who is a really good player because he's young, he's 30, he's really good looking, and he has a very strong game. So the real highs are the kind of adventures we'll get into together. But, obviously, these are highs for one or two, like, nights, but what I remember are those girls that I just mentioned because I usually get into long term relationships with them, and, I will fly over to see them. They fly over to see me in my country. Okay. Number five. What have been some of the lows? No real lows, actually. Flaking, which is a problem for everyone, is a low of the whole thing. When I was younger and I didn't know that flaking is an actual thing, it used to bother me much more. Reading your books and your adventures helped me a lot into understanding that this is part of daygame. It does not necessarily mean that I was doing something wrong. But I would say the low of daygame is the flaking. And mind you, I don't have like a huge number of flaking, but it's still quite annoying. Number six, what adaptations have you had to make your day game as an older guy? That's a really another really good question. The basic adaptation is to make sure you have your grooming on point, not to look younger because that definitely comes out as a try hard, but to look as if you're someone who is sex worthy, not someone who is over the hill, not someone who looks like a dad or an uncle. That's probably the most important thing. So I have a beard, usually well styled beard, at least that's what people tell me. I have a very contemporary haircut. I still have my hair, so that's a plus. So this thing really helps. Now the t levels are not usually a problem because I try not to overdo it. I can easily have sex, like, four, five times a week, so it's okay. That's not a problem. Seven, how do you avoid the boyfriend provider sugar daddy trap? Well, it's not an actual problem if you ask me. It's usually lack of gain from the older guy who makes this a problem. Because if he thinks he's not worth it and he's only giving out provider signals in every way, then it's very natural that the girl is gonna take advantage of that. To give you an example, all the girls I'm seeing right now, they're literally not even letting me pay for to take them out for dinner. Like, the last time they let me pay was we went out for my birthday. Let me clarify because I said we, not with all of them at the same time. Okay? I think this is a situation when you find a gold digger. I tried to cut it at the beginning to stop it so it doesn't go farther than that. Number eight, what's your end goal now for game? There is no end goal apart from becoming better and just keep finding girls, young girls that keep me happy and satisfied and that I can have a good relationship with them. I'm not looking for a long time for life partner. I am always looking for long time partners. Not definitely not lots of casual sex. I've had enough of that, but, again, not a partner for life. So I guess the end goal is to keep meeting women and keep having fun with them and being a positive influence in their life and then being a positive influence in my life. Number nine, at what age do you think daygame is no longer possible? There's seriously, there is no age. What might be a little problem is if you're like 70 years old and you're trying to target 18 year olds, then it will be very, very difficult at a specific point. But if you're targeting older women, like even if you're 70, if you're targeting a 40 year old woman, there is really no limit. Number 10, extra advice for guys in the twenties and thirties. Okay. That's a really good question. Not a very easy one to answer in one minute. First of all, try not to become the usual average 40 to 50 year old. Don't let your grooming go to hell. Try to keep your hair in a decent order. And, if you start getting a lot of wrinkles around your mouth and around your cheeks or your cheeks start drooping, make sure you leave a beard. Not every girl likes a beard, but the ones that are open to it, they're usually very attracted to guys with beards. The idea is to keep being a sex worthy guy. So as long as you have that, you're good. The next piece of advice is try not to get locked down from all the stuff that society throws at you. Like, if you have a steady job, nine to five, if you have a mortgage, if you need to work fourteen hour days and stuff, it's gonna be becoming more and more difficult to get away and try to find the time and the different places to daygame. Apart from that, the most difficult thing I I guess from talking to my friends who are also in their forties is to be able to resist the social pressure because it's perfectly fine to be daygaming and talking to girls and meeting new people of the opposite sex when you're 20. But once you hit 35 or more, it starts being labeled as creepy. It's really not creepy, but it's because it's against the feminist imperative and the agenda that it is trying to push, it is just labeled as a creepy thing. So, basically, if you're 40 or 50 and you're dating young girls, you have to be pretty much immune to social pressure. The next piece of advice I would say is to find a good crew of people. People that are younger and people that, you can also help them with life advice, not necessarily game advice because they might be able to kick your ass in actual game if they're in their thirties or twenties and they're doing a good job. But you might help them in other areas of life. You might become friends and travel together and go daygame together. That's really important. One of the lowest place in my life, in my daygaming, dating life was in 2012 when I went for one full month in Romania, and I was there all alone. And I would be getting very, very bored because I was alone. I did learn my lesson. I did all the subsequent trips with a wing. Last year, I went to 11, I think, different countries, but all of them, I think 10 out of the 11 was with a wing. Apart from that, no more advice. Just don't fall into the sugar daddy trap. It's okay to treat the girl every now and then, but it should always come from the point of strength. That means that you don't have to do it, but you choose to do it because you want to give her a good time. So there you have it. Tom, once again, thank you very much for the opportunity to be part of your podcast. And, if you're interested, I also have a podcast dedicated to game in Greece. It's called the neumon podcast. I will send you the link in, the email. It's in Greek. Only the titles are in English, but it's one of the very few podcasts for game in Greece. So thanks again. I'm waiting for your next materials, and we'll be in touch.