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# Episode 157 My Original Daygame Wing (Tony Hustle Interview)

**Speaker 0:** Thomas Torero podcast a 157 in an alley just south of Soho Square in Central London on a warm summer's evening. So this will be in the past because I'll be in South America by the time this goes out. But before I fly out tomorrow, it's taken me what six years, seven years to get today's guest on the podcast. So I couldn't turn him down. That's what she said. And it's quite appropriate. This alley is a metaphor for filth. Soho is a metaphor for filth. When Casanova arrived in London, the first place he came to was Soho Square. And do you know what he said? He said the women were minging, the weather was bad. Well, we shall see if that's true with today's guest. But just before we begin this podcast, if you're asking me about the Munich Boot Camp with today's guest, it is sold out. We didn't even have to do any promotion. I put it up on my blog and it sold out within days. In the future perhaps more, that Munich bootcamp is sold out. And I will be in South America until the beginning of August. I think I'll be flying back via San Francisco for some very strange reason. Not the best city for hot girls, but I've got to go there to see a man about a documentary but anyway if you're in San Francisco let me know I could do a meet up on the way back to London but without further ado it's a bit like biggie smalls it's a bit like it's an urban legend. If you've read book number one, cha ching daygame. And if you've read book number one, you'll be aware of this guy that I started daygame with in 2010. And in the book, he's called Anthony it's not his real name but you know he gets mobbed otherwise we have to call him Anthony and in the book I say Spanish and you might work out today that perhaps he's not Spanish perhaps he is perhaps his mother's Spanish perhaps he's never found out never we never found out why he always cries when you ask him that question. It's just quite emotional. But anyway, this is Anthony. The man, the boy when I started. We were boys. We started in 2010 and apart from Rami who you know about, this was the only wing I ever had and I'm gonna ask him how we met, I'm gonna ask him about the seedy years from 2010 to '12 And then suddenly, the thing that guys keep asking me about is what happened to this guy? Because they've read the book or they meet people who were in the daygame scene in 02/1112, and they say, happened to Anthony? The guy that you winged with, traveled with, taught with, we were with Baxter with, and this man just disappeared. But he's alive. He's in London. He's in an alley. He's just had a piss in this alley actually, which is good. It suits the vibe.

**Speaker 1:** Ladies and gentlemen, this is Anthony. Alright, mate? Good afternoon, Tom. It's it's been a long time. A long time coming. It's been a long time coming. About eight years, mate. Eight years. I know. I know. I I don't know when I saw you last. It must have been It was emotional. It's been emotion It was very emotional. It must been when you published your documentary.

**Speaker 0:** The last one? Indeed. Another evening of of beer and I think we finished in Soho. We finished in Freedom bar and then I lost you. We finished with Baxter in Freedom.

**Speaker 1:** The the usual madness of, transvestites and Poles, mirrors. Beers. It was quite blurry. Yeah. It was blurry. Beards and beers. Well, yeah. Like, it's it's it's it's amazing to to be back out in the game and to see that you haven't changed a bit.

**Speaker 0:** I don't know if that's good or bad. It's nice that we're in exactly the same spot where I kind of left you in 2012. By that time, we had made it to weird dirty things in Soho and all sorts of stories that we're gonna talk about. But first of all, if guys haven't read the book, how did we meet in 2010? Because daygame wasn't even a thing in 2010.

**Speaker 1:** In 2010, I was still at university doing a advanced degree and I think you were still a teacher

**Speaker 0:** of children. Yeah. So wrong. Ironically.

**Speaker 1:** So wrong. Ironically. But there there was this forum actually that I'm I think a lot of people may not know about these days, it was called LSS. Yep. The London Seduction Society, I think it was called. Yeah. And so I don't know about you, but like when I got into game, I was I was watching infield videos of guys like Alex Carlson and they were like this really indirect sort of like, sorry, excuse me, do you know where the nearest coffee shop is? And that sort of approach. And I remember like literally sitting down and like watching that and thinking that's that's weird but it might work because I used to be like a guy who went out in bars and just old school hit on girls. And I watched this video and I thought let me try that out. And I went out into Hyde Park, and one of the first sets I ever did was like this kind of Alex Carlson approach, like, sorry, excuse me, do you know? Like, really indirect.

**Speaker 0:** I didn't tell you that on the last world tour with Craig Yeah. We were sat in a bar with Alex Coulson. Yeah. And it was so fucking weird. He didn't actually know who I was, which was quite a good thing. But, yeah, weirdly, got into it in 2010 from Alex Kulsh. You did. I did. And what was this thing about the LSS then? How did we actually communicate? Because in those days there was no WhatsApp. So like a long story short like I tried approach and the first girl I approached just gave me the numbers straight away and then I started like

**Speaker 1:** basically looking for other material and I came to the LSS and I just started like going towards the section which was about like your infield experience. Like just posting like I did this, I went out, I met this girl here, I went here, we had drinks here, I did these techniques and as like after like a maybe half a year, I noticed like I don't know whether you were called Tom Torero already? Yeah, It was field reports and then lay reports. Field reports and lay reports and I started like posting. We assumed everyone on that forum was a pro. I assumed that I am like the last guy who should be posting but let me just post. Yeah. And like, I think you're like half year later, we had like three or four pages where it was Yeah. Tom Torero My name was different. Yeah. It was Tom Torero, me. Tom Torero, me. And like, that's the first pages was just you and me. We got An anecdote in that when I met Sasha Sasha daygame.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. He his first question in 2010 was, oh, I've read your reports and Yeah. Anthony's reports. Are these from like the last ten years? No. No. I said, man. No, We we just we just Just from this year? Right now. And that's when I realized all 99% of forums is just keyboard

**Speaker 1:** masturbation. Right? Yeah. And that's and that's how it happened because you kept you kept commenting on my stuff and I kept commenting on your stuff and really quickly we realized that we have like that same kind of academic approach but like it was always about getting late it wasn't about like just writing down stuff that's like imaginary so it was really infield experiences and then actually you said we got to meet up. And then we went and I know exactly which was the first set we ever did together. I don't know whether you remember this. You remember Trafalgar Square? Exactly it was Trafalgar Square and back in the days on Trafalgar Square you used to have those What are they called? Like one of these, the people that make the music and like they're like a cult. They hand out shit. Oh, the Harry Christians? Harry Christians and we hit on a Harry Christian girl It can be quite nice. Yeah. And there was a lot of reciprocity. She was giving us flowers.

**Speaker 0:** It was it was very indirect, you could say. Yeah. It was on steps, it was seated it was stationary but very quickly it dawned on me that you had almost opposite strengths to me and I had almost opposite strengths to you and that you had this night game pass you had this sexual vibe you you had to calibrate down I had to calibrate up the first thing you said to me and Bexar said to me is you're not sexual man yeah you're just a fucking friendly guy charlie guy but and the weirdest combination was this background of academia, and at the time you were studying, for a PhD in a fucking top London university. Yeah. But you were a filthy bastard. Yep. From the first infields we ever filmed in 2010. They're there somewhere. We can find them. It was like It was a filthy vibe in the day. Yeah. Something different to Alex Coulson or, at the time, there was very little material online anyway. So we were in the dark. We were just guessing what to do. Yep. And we were indirect, but what was the reason to think from 2010 to '12 that we we became good very, very fast within the first year or two? I think what you said is true because you had like this

**Speaker 1:** very verbal skills that were I think extremely helpful to do like the comfort and the deep rapport stuff. Versus me I was just going in and like just my sets were much shorter and they were much more direct, but if the girl had hooked, it was like game over, so I was filtering. Well, you were anti filtering, you were just prolonging sets. Yeah. So I think what I could get a number of anybody. Yeah, exactly. But it didn't change. Couldn't get a number of many girls but when they were on that's why like I straight away like got results and you got results as well but like for a completely different reason. Yeah, was very indirect. When we sat together and like looked at how come you're so different but get results and and I am so different and get results, how come it's like still working? I think we physically created a word document. Right. Not just lines and routines, but we create, you remember the dating bubble? The dating which was just results from your dates and my dates and you said what do you do here, what do you do here and we wrote it down. And that's the main difference. I think the difference is that, as opposed to most guys, we did 90 infield, maybe 5% we did like a reflection on what we're doing and how we're doing it differently, and maybe 5% also I would say rehearsing the routines.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah, guys don't realize it. We came from a background of Ross Jeffries, Mystery, Mystery, even Vince Kelvin, crazy people like this, Yad, Sin and we would we would be fucking analytical, analytical like I remember you phoning me in my lunch times you were on your PhD break I was on a work break at school, and you'd be phoning me saying, you know, you've you've you've thought about, fractionation, or you've thought about cocky funny, or we were like thorough in our research of game history.

**Speaker 1:** Academic in the sense that I would I would hypothesize about something working, and then I would go into the fucking field and try it every day for, like, let's say, ten days. And if it worked, I put it to the repertoire, and if it didn't work, I'll just dismiss it. And that's what got us going because we would just spend hours and hours refining the model trial and error and at that point you became more of me and I became more of you and that's when we became dynamite because you understood me inside out when I was doing a set. Deep inside. No no but I really mean it like when we went out and we did a set like when I said something you knew exactly why I'm saying it right now and you knew in your head already you were preparing the next thing, which would make it like even more powerful.

**Speaker 0:** We did a lot of two sets. We did a lot of evening game because you had a job and I had a job or you had a full time thing, and we weren't in Oxford Street at the time. Guys might not realize realize this. We were because I was living in Earls Court. Right. Anthony was living in a fucking house of sin in Earls Court or That's what I Earls Court. But we were gaming in South Kensington, Kings Road, very flashy areas. Everywhere. And obviously, daygame would then become pub game and beer garden game. And this is what I wanna ask you about. Yeah. Because even when we discovered direct daygame, which was the kind of Yad, Sasha phenomena, but you had indirect direct Yeah. Down from the beginning, as in you would open a girl outside a pub. As opposed to you, I was fucking. I was fucking animals, which counts as a lay, and he holds a goal. I dare you to say. Anthony would open with, excuse me girls, do you have a lighter? And on paper that sounds like a load of shit. Yeah? But if you're calibrated and you give off a sexual vibe and you can spot which one of the girls gives you an IOI bag, then you go in. Right. And and that was largely what the kind of thing we were doing. Yeah. Outside pubs, beer gardens, then we would even go inside the pub. Yeah. So even in the early days, it was it was day game, but it was gutter game. It was something in the middle.

**Speaker 1:** Like, listen. Anybody who tells me I can do every single girl at every given time of day is just full of shit. Right? You're always like, you're putting out something and you're seeing whether something sticks. And as soon as you put something out to say a group of three girls, hey guys, you got a cigarette or you gotta get a lighter, one of the girls will give you like a special kind of look for just one millisecond and you gotta be sharp to spot that and then it's not really it's not really indirect, it's not really direct, but you know your probability of hitting that girl much higher. Okay. But I forgot to ask you this golden question because guys are thinking

**Speaker 0:** what's why do you have this calibration and I always assumed it was from your school years. I remember you were dating a hottie at school. You had some fucking entitlement, right? And I don't know why. And everyone notices you do. Why did you have this

**Speaker 1:** almost asshole school behavior about you? I think part of it is to do with like the way I was brought up. I was always brought up like to maybe not be the nicest person and like just be straightforward. But the other thing that really like was special about the way I came up is I was in like a not a big town, but in that town everybody knew me. I was football wasn't a big thing, but I was always hanging out with the right people, and they were always much older than me. So I was hanging out with people that were like maybe two or three years older than me. When I came back to my social group, everybody was already usually doesn't even associate with us. Like me coming into a room was the room's value would already rise. So I didn't like have to beg or ask for anything. Girls would just come and say oh how come you're here tonight and I could be an asshole and say listen I'm not really like I'm busy anyway can we talk later? So I would just get a lot I would get a lot of IOIs very direct ones and and then you just build that persona of like yeah listen I'm not asking for shit I'm just coming in here I'm telling you what to do and we're gonna do that and if you don't like that there's so much at risk for you to fall out with me that you're gonna try to please me. We go And that sounds really negative but it's actually that's just normal social dynamics.

**Speaker 0:** And we will also the secret society which is what we call it now this this understanding that underneath conversation and normal job and normal friends is a layer of when girls can be naughty and filthy and it's in an eye contact it's in a flick of the hair it's in a second and some people have it which you clearly did in 2010 it took me another two or three years know what I mean to get it but you definitely had it yeah yeah so I'm not saying you're a natural but you came to the game with

**Speaker 1:** Nobody's a natural listen I'm also sometimes out of like touch with some of the latest developments in this industry because I know like this whole secret society thing is like I've heard it from Eddie, I've heard it from Richard I think now and I didn't know these guys. It's an original

**Speaker 0:** the post actually but it's a fascinating concept. Okay. I didn't know that. It's basically as you said picking up on very small IOIs or IODs. So it's a guy for whatever reason who's extremely calibrated. So when me and you just walk down the street then, we could sense on or off. On or off. And a normal guy has no idea. Oh, you know when a girl's with her boyfriend? Yeah. That's my favorite one. She's holding his hand. But she's giving you And you just stare at her like, all alright. Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** No. I know what you're saying. Ask It's calibration. What was the question again? Sorry.

**Speaker 0:** Why are you such a dick? Why were you a dick in 2010? Sorry. What did you do before you met me, Tom? I sat in a corner with crayons and a helmet.

**Speaker 1:** Such a nice boy.

**Speaker 0:** That's what that's what your mother said. Boo. Well, that's okay. That's just to clear up guys going, natural? Who's a natural? No. I'm not a natural. I'm not a natural, but but Yeah. Because the testimony to that is that most of the time you're a hardcore academic. Guys don't really even probably know what your job is now, it's a very high up cerebral

**Speaker 1:** academic. It's hedge fund type of job like academic

**Speaker 0:** like Yeah. When I met you, you were extremely like university

**Speaker 1:** nerd. Yeah. It was actually detrimental to my vibe because I was always like looking at like complicated statistics and stuff like that, but the other thing that it did is like looking for stuff like how do you conceptualize something like what you just talked about like secret society, a girl like giving you just that millisecond of a chance and then and then knowing that that's the one to go for and not the other one. The other thing it's a feedback loop because the more you excuse my French fuck girls, the more you understand them and the more you understand how they are basically what it is that they're doing when they want to give off this kind of like sexual vibe and girls are way more filthy than you are because you think you're a filthy bastard but you're not. Girls are worse than guys, okay? So when you fuck a lot of girls, you understand what it is that they physically, verbally, non verbally do to give you the indication and a girl gets the highest direct turn on when she gives you that subliminal message and you pick up on it because that is her way of filtering you you're a part of that society and she gives it all day long but most guys like what the fuck why is she looking like this only a guy in the secret society gets it. It's her way of filtering. Yeah. Like just as much as I like grab five girls and say hey come here for a second I need to talk to you what you do before you met me. That's her that's her that's her way that's her way of saying this They're usually unconsciously doing it. Like, it's guys say, oh, she's playing guy if the guy picks up like, I was just walking down the street and I had a girl, like, give me a massive IOI.

**Speaker 0:** Do you remember the the girl who was sitting outside the pub? Exactly. Yep. That, right? And both of I looked at you, you looked at me, but it was absolutely nothing was said. This is the problem with verbal game and And and that's when people confuse natural

**Speaker 1:** with with with something you can learn. It's just you don't have the experience. Yeah. If you had the experience Yeah. You just pick up on it. Yeah. And you'd capitalize on it. If you don't, you let it go. Sorry. We're like No. Well That's overtime. No. No. No. That's a good segue into,

**Speaker 0:** I say to students, you know, you don't settle down before you fucked I say whatever, 30 girls, 40 girls, 50 girls 300. Winning. Winning. Because that's the knowledge. That's the

**Speaker 1:** Yeah.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is called calibration. It's a stupid word because calibration is just hours and hours and hours of picking up on the signals. Right. We're just watching some girls come down an alley. Good evening. This looks really bad. I know. How dare you? We're good boys we were just accused of rejecting heroin we're seamen seamen stains guys want to know some of the stories perhaps they've read the first book no and I think all the good ones in the first book. I have I say I say openly without kissing

**Speaker 1:** your ass. They I would like that. I've

**Speaker 0:** seen your ass man. It's not good. When Stephen Hawkins talks about black holes, I think he's referring shave it these days. Beautiful. Beautiful. Yeah. I've seen far too much of Anthony, minus some clothes, but not in a homosexual way. But some of the stories are what opened my eyes to the secret society. Right? So I've I've jotted some down. I'm gonna say them and I'm gonna hear your recollection. I'm gonna say yes or no. Yeah. Did this happen or didn't it happen? I remember you in South Kensington in a pub probably and you this is the first time I saw it. You walk in, you grab two girls heads Yeah. Eclipse. And you do a you do a three way make Yeah. Up in a pub. That is

**Speaker 1:** that's pure conviction. That's just like going in and like not even flinching and just like of course we're gonna make out and just grabbing them and just make out. This was early days of No. Was but it was like this was You and me in a taxi, you stop the taxi

**Speaker 0:** because there's a girl on the pavement and you get and you get the girl into the taxi. Again, like it's pure conviction.

**Speaker 1:** If you believe it, it states, I think they call it state transference or some something fancy like that. Yep. Like whatever you feel, she's gonna feel. If you feel 100% certain, you just go out and you like, I have done the opposite. I have stopped a cab and made the girl roll down the window and made out with her and then said goodbye and just had a drive off. It's just about like conviction. But this was an early days. This was 2011

**Speaker 0:** maybe. Yeah. And for a guy that a nice guy that just does daygame, I keep saying you need to go and do some gutter game or some bar game because Yeah. Because it opens your eyes to this world of girls. Well, I can go into that later anyway, but game is just a fucking label for something

**Speaker 1:** that is very easily just described as interaction between men and women and your job is to spark emotions very quickly and long lastingly. So that's what game is. It's like talk to a girl and get her to emotionally react and keep those emotions rolling for a long time because if you're just flashy based on attraction, they will spike up and then die out. How how quickly can you spike them up and keep them going? And that's that's what it's really about.

**Speaker 0:** And It's an exchange of bodily fluids. Yeah. Okay. Next one. This was this was a big one. That's what she said. I had banged a girl, a Polish nanny, I believe, from Trafalgar Square. Yeah. And this is the first time ever, perhaps, I said I I texted you and I said, man, I banged this Polish girl and she's pretty horny. I don't know why I said said this to you, but I said, why don't you come along to the next date? Do you remember we met her in Acton? We got some beers. We went to this poor Polish girl's house. It was weird. We couldn't bang her together. It was very weird. But I remember you waiting on the stairs outside the room. Yeah. And didn't the housemate come up or something and you said No.

**Speaker 1:** It was it was really quickly. It was I went with Tom into this place with this Polish girl and she gave like she gave like the eyes to both of us all the way like from the station to the house and I walked into this room with like a can of beers and there were like three guys sitting in the room and like fucking playing Playstation Playstation and like walking with this banging girl and Tom and then I'm hey, alright mate. I'm like, yeah, what the fuck are you doing, man? You have like the stunner and you're like playing Playstation. So we took her upstairs and then we were sitting We couldn't we couldn't do it No. We're sitting on the no. We're sitting on the bed and you were like kind of making out, but I think at the time it wasn't really calibrated. No idea what I was doing. Yeah. So I grabbed her and she's like hardcore made out and then like we started banging her together or something. But like I felt weird because Tom's dick is so big. I was like, man, I'm not man enough. So I said, I'm gonna leave the room for a second. So I go outside but like like like you gotta you gotta picture it in a way like I was wearing underwear. So I go outside the room, I grab the beer and I sit outside on this fucking stairs and like I just hear like filthy noise coming from the room. And I'm having a beer and all of a sudden I hear the stairs like a girl running up the stairs like some some chatter. And this girl comes up the stairs and she goes to me and is like, looks at me, I'm sitting in my underwear and she's like, what the fuck is going on? And she's storming towards the door. I said, hey, listen listen, trust me. At that time I was already like really filtered. Said, listen, trust me really quickly. You don't wanna go in there. You're not gonna like what you see. He's like, what the fuck is going on? And she's like banging on the door like, talk talk talk talk. You need to get the fuck out of there.

**Speaker 0:** That is completely true. It's true. It makes me realize that I wish I was a beginner again almost because I believe we did crazier things

**Speaker 1:** and we had more conviction in the beginning almost. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because we pushed it so hard. Today, I I probably wouldn't even like send you the message or invite you over or do that, but Yeah. Because we're testing the bomb. That's what you gotta do in the beginning. Look, the beginning is beautiful because what you get in the beginning is excitement. Yeah. Yeah. Because every set you do is like, fuck, it's amazing and and and you gotta use that energy

**Speaker 0:** Right. Turned into dirt. Just quickly, more dirt. This this is a really funny one. That I was banging a French girl. And this is the thing, if you share girls with your wing a German girl as well. Yeah. Yeah. We'll come on to that. If you're sharing a girl with your wing, your wing naturally says to you, okay, I'll give you a girl. I'll find you a girl. And, Anthony knew That's not normal for normal people. It's not normal. Only for Tom, that's normal. That's how I realized he hasn't changed. Anthony knew what kind of girls I liked, and I remember you said, man, I'm banging this. And she was German. German. She said, she's got a boyfriend, she's at university, but you'd like her, man. And he showed me a picture, and I was like, fuck, man. That is exactly what I want. So we said, alright, I've got this French girl. She seems a bit bi bipolar, bi curious. And we tried to remember, we tried to bring them together in a in an easy, not easy jet, but easy hotel. Not first. First, to be honest, we banged the German together

**Speaker 1:** first. We did Was it first? First. I don't remember. We did the paint job. Yeah. What what I was Was that thought it was a Yeah. Body painting, baby. Was that before after the story? We were at the Troubadour.

**Speaker 0:** This I don't remember, but I remember the only I wanted to bang this German girl and Anjali said Oh. Yeah. Yeah. We're doing it. Anjali said, yeah, we can, but we need to give her a reason to come to Earl's Court. So the reason I said, I said, tell her, I've just moved to Earl's Court. I'm painting my room. Right. And she can come and paint with a brush. Yeah. And she came over,

**Speaker 1:** and I don't know if we banged it together, but I do remember banging Yes, you did. Okay. Okay. Listen. Let me tell the story. Tom is fucking demented right now. Demented. Too many card readings.

**Speaker 0:** Let me tell you something about yourself.

**Speaker 1:** Listen, it feels really good and better and better. You make very vivid images in your mind. Yeah. So the true story goes like this. I was picking up this German girl in She was very nice. She was very nice, very German in a in in in in, outside Apple, in what is it called? The date was in seven days. And then I had already like banged her many times, and then I took her out. I said, listen, I'm meeting my friend Tom. We need to paint his room. He's just moved in. Met her at a troubadour in Oscored. Legendary venue. Yep. The Beatles or something. Who was going on? Hendrix, I think. Anyway, so we said, let's go let's go paint Tom's room after a drink or two. So we walked into Tom's room. She's like, are we really gonna paint this room? Like, no. How does the German say it? Are we really gonna paint the room tonight? It's a very practical girl. Yeah. But anyway, like, we we we did a little spit roast. Can you say that? Is that Yeah. No. That was probably the first time I banged a girl. Yeah. And I remember, like, Tom, like I can't I'm gonna say it and you you edit it you edit it later. Okay? You said Tom, wow. Are you African?

**Speaker 0:** I said in all the right places.

**Speaker 1:** I remember you remember when I fucked her, like you said, like, I never saw a guy do this. Like, I wasn't like slapping the ass like this. I slapped the ass like this.

**Speaker 0:** Now the for guys going, oh, that's good. That's good. Yeah. Listen. Either you can watch porn rockers of Freddie or like I did many times with Anthony or with, all the other daygame instructors in that marble arch house, you can actually watch your mate banging a gill. And when I saw you banging that German gill, I was like, well, I I called the police. You you suddenly realized, fuck. Okay. You can do that. You can say that. Yeah. You can you can spank that. Spank you very much. Read Nancy Friday's secret garden. My secret garden. But okay. How did we get from there to introducing the French girl which fucked up? We fucked it up. And then the French girl, we we we,

**Speaker 1:** we brought them together and Tom Tom the filthy boss that had rented a fucking what was it? Easy. Easy hotel. Which is like a hotel I could only get the disabled room. My god. It was horrible. Tom really royally fucked up because it's like an easy it's like a hotel Plastic. Plastic easy chair from the outside in like orange, and I I walked inside and like there's like plastic on the floor like And an emergency cord for disabled people. Can rinse it out in the toilet, you have like an alarm bell thing, and the girls were sitting on that bed, and it was like it was just weird. It was weird. So the German lab German ran out. You banged the French girl? Banged her. You banged the French, I banged the French. You were sitting a handicapped toilet, I was banging the French, and you were like peeking through the fucking thing because you wanted to learn some new skill. It was weird.

**Speaker 0:** Because I told him it's now it's gay. It was wrong, but it's so right. Yeah. You know? That okay. That was that story which I think is in the book and finally the swiss girl with gigantic tits not the not not a model face but you remember new year's eve you had the Russian girl who looked like Cameron Diaz I remember she was beautiful I had a a Swiss girl who okay. Not the greatest face, but ginormous tits. I remember these tits. And I had banged her, you had banged the Russian, we brought them together Right. In sweet harmony in a in a in a I think in some way we're doing something for Becks Star, I can't remember. New Year's Eve. Yeah. Yeah. We were making out you were like fucking this is on Tom taxi and then whatever it didn't work out your Russian ran away right she's Russian she's a princess And so we banged the swisskill as the New Year's Eve Resolution. We started with a dong. With a with a big bong. Big Ben. That's true. That that story is completely true as well. That's true.

**Speaker 1:** Unfortunately, we lost the

**Speaker 0:** the Russian. We lost the Russian. She was she wasn't The Russian Let me ask you about the first hot Russian, because this is a different Russian. The first Russian we had ever kind of encountered was yours. I can't say her name. Yeah. For our London brains, this was the first kind of She was like a nine. Yeah. Especially at the time in London, like like these numbers, but she was fucking hot, man. Yeah. And that was your realization, like, okay, there's another level to this, like, and the way they behave. Like, finally,

**Speaker 1:** finally, I figured out what the girls must feel like when they date me, like, you know. They need counseling. Yeah. They usually cry.

**Speaker 0:** But I remember the way you could kind of interact with her in game was like different from German to French and English. Yeah. We said, this is this is fun and funny.

**Speaker 1:** The the the Do remember that? Completely fell into that frame of like me just like looking at her and just saying, I believe I can Blah blah blah. What what are you even doing? And she would just hysterically giggle and she would so like fall into this frame of like I I need to work to get it. Impressed. Impressed. She had a rich guy we should say. As well man. Had photos of Yad. Day she came to my house at 06:00 in the morning and she was calling me and I was like on I was on the phone, didn't realize she's outside my house and she's like, oh Anthony, I'm outside your house. Come let me in and I was like listen I'm not home. He's like oh no I see you I see you on the phone and the window and then now it's my brother.

**Speaker 0:** No it's you it's you it's you. Okay I gotta go I gotta go That was that was when I perhaps understood the secret society that there's rich guys Yeah. Who buy these girls That's true. And she was in central pay in Miami. Miami. But then there was also All of that. She was responding to idiotic CD

**Speaker 1:** cheap behavior, like we'd take her to jewel bar. Right. We'd take her to Tiger Tiger, like It was just in it's just as I said before, game is about emotions. Yeah. I could I could on demand spark her emotions so hard that she would just like, yeah, this guy is buying me Chanel bags and taking me to a yard, but he cannot spark my emotions. And not only can Anthony bang me hard, but like he knows how to like treat me in a way that I feel feminine and this these other guys can't do that. And that's the difference I think. Like I don't want to like sound like It's not like putting women down. It's just like giving polarity. That's what it's all about. Yeah. That's a good way to put it. You know? I mean, it's frame. Very strong frame. Strong frame. It's like that frame. Like, I'm not gonna be, oh, sorry. Did did you not feel right tonight?

**Speaker 0:** Like, was this not like should I do more of this or like no it's like listen this is what we have well that okay this brings us on to almost the end because we're in Soho yeah the lights are shining it's red lights in this alley down down this alley if you've read my first book is it is one of Soho's shittest strip clubs. It's still there. I don't even think it's a real strip club. There's like one middle aged woman on the pole. Yeah. But the only I think it's Rob's mom.

**Speaker 1:** The

**Speaker 0:** only girl I've ever banged from a strip club was a hostess from that club, a Romanian. Yeah. So I can say, yeah, I banged a stripper. But she was from that club. Anyway, what we're talking about? Yes. If you wanna test this polarity, test this dominance Yeah. You have to put yourself in uncomfortable situations. Yeah. And from 2000 and maybe '11, we were, and this sounds odd, we were gaming in Soho. Yeah. We would take our dates to GAY. Yeah. Which is London's most famous gay venue and Freedom Bar, which is a very odd bisexual venue. Why why does this filthy frame aid in help in the seduction and help in the polarity? Because not most guys would go you're fucking man. Why are you taking girl to a gay bar or why are you taking a girl to a Right.

**Speaker 1:** But this is this is It goes in your favor. Yeah. Like, I think like I think actually communicates You have to be careful like I think if you take a Russian girl to a gay bar, it's gonna backfire.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. It could potentially backfire because she's like, why are you taking me to a gay bar? It's too much. It's too much. But like most girls, if you have the confidence as a man to put yourself into a gay environment and if you're confident the guys won't even hit on you because they know you're not gay. But you have the confidence to go there. It's not working against you, it's working in your favor. And on top of it, the filth of that kind of environment, it just sparks this kind of like bisexual fantasies,

**Speaker 0:** all of this Nancy Friday These girls are very happy with it. You notice the girls are extremely comfortable with it. Yeah. It's the guys that feel weird. Yeah. Exactly. They love the gay guys around them and then they're seeing things. Do you remember all the fucking weird shit you see in GA one? Yeah. Exactly. And it helps the date and then you bounce home. And we learned that from Baxter, venues like Freedom, but it's true. And that's where we kind of, went our separate ways because I started becoming a Yeah. Daygame instructor. I lived in Marble Arch. And suddenly, you finished your PhD Yeah. And you got a fucking serious job. Yeah. And I think you might have had a girlfriend. I can't remember, but why did you disappear in 02/1314?

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. So so a, I I came out of relationship and I was like just feeling bad. And like game, if you overdo it, it'll like whatever game means, but like if you overdo it, it's you're just If you overdo it, it can take you down because it feels very empty. So like I think having a good aim of what you're actually doing rather than just having like a lot of women in your life like making it more about yourself about like When it flatlines it's dangerous. When it flatlines it's dangerous. So you need to not make it about the girls but make it about progress because game really is an analogy about mastering any kind of skill in life. It's about getting over rejection, getting breaking through your limiting beliefs, it's about dedication, it's about hard work, has a lot of elements that you need in any kind of whatever you want to call it like Academics can do extremely well at it if you treat it like a project. Yeah, you treat it like a project and so I went into that and so I got to know actually a girl that I dated for like two, two and a half, three years and I left The UK, I was in The US for a And came back and then after like, I don't like another year or so we broke up. And I still didn't feel like game and actually that's when I started getting back into it because like for me like all these dating apps and stuff like I don't know I just don't feel it's the same thing so I got back into game and I think there's a missing piece and I said it before there's like night game like is flashy is is is loud is chaotic is quick it's very attractive and daygame is the opposite is like verbal quiet controlled and you know the great guys like Baxter or like RSD in nightgame and you have the great guys like you in daygame or the guy I'm hanging out with right now. I think like there's these difference but really game is game. At the end of day you're trying to spark emotions inside the girl and if you can and I think there's a gap between night game and day game that hasn't been filled. People see it slow burning or fast burning, you know. They see it like slow cooking or Right. Microwave cooking But you were always

**Speaker 0:** always something in the middle. Right. You know, 8PM, 9PM, 10PM. Even we used to go to Notting Hill. Right. Remember the pubs? Yeah. We do beer gardens Right. Smoking areas. Or Craig is another good example the guy that I often travel with he openly says daygame is a good skill it's useful but the magic can happen quickly

**Speaker 1:** very quickly traveling. And that's what I mean like and I think like there's this bar game and then there's night game and then there is daygame like bar game is between night game and daygame but there's a step between where you have like a daygame approach that is slightly more sexual and you cannot escalate physically like you can in a bar but there is something in between I've been experimenting with it how you can touch in a day so it's socially acceptable that makes a complete difference in the way the girl reacts because it just sparks much more attraction that's long lasting rather than just having a nice conversation and I think that's that's something that's missing still missing and for me personally that's something yeah I think I want to figure out like know for sure daygame is guilty of just creating

**Speaker 0:** nice conversations and phone numbers right and you know I'm partly responsible I encourage guys to leave their phone at home I wanna finish on this actually. Yeah. Sure. One of our secrets, probably from academia is we would have distinct goals. We would have set pieces even not just let's get laid, but I remember saying to you, today we're gonna do we're gonna take a girl from the street together into a park and kiss her and what did we do we did it within two sets three sets nothing else do you remember then you would say to me this week I'm gonna do yeah yeah yeah. And we did it. And then you and then you would say this week I'm gonna do Australian girls and we would go and find an Australian girl and we would do it. Yeah. It's so true, man. You can't just go out and say I'm gonna go and do daygame. No. No. I agree with you. Very

**Speaker 1:** good example exactly and I completely agree with you like We were so fucking specific. If you like the best thing to do is when you go out like you set yourself a name. I was out in the soul the other day and I said today we're gonna do two sets and we're gonna bounce them to Aqua Yep. Which is this rooftop bar. Yeah. Yeah. Legend. And what happened? Like, yeah, it took us like maybe twenty minutes but like half an hour later we're sitting in the aqua with two banging girls. Yep. And they were like 22, 23, and I and I I come out and said, so like it's fucking weird because all we said is we wanna do this and it material izes as soon as you say it it's like saying I'm gonna it's different to the voodoo form of

**Speaker 0:** the secret you know law of attraction this is just self talk this is just self belief Exactly.

**Speaker 1:** You put yourself, you visualize this aim like this is what we're gonna like I like trust me if you do it often enough just test it. If you say today I'm gonna do this like I'm gonna go meet a girl take her to the park and and make out with her it's gonna happen it's

**Speaker 0:** happening and London's the place to do it because if you say today I want to meet a girl from Sweden you can right alright just to finish on a funny story before we give away Anthony's email because, not surprisingly, Anthony's back in the game. And, the sold out Munich boot camp, you can't come with us to Munich. You can't come in Munich wearing but I believe you're taking a break from your job to unbelievably dabble in this filthy world of of pickup. Before I tell this story, what is your email?

**Speaker 1:** It's anthony.hustlex@gmail.com. So anthony

**Speaker 0:** dot hustle x Anthony with a h.

**Speaker 1:** Yes. A a n o t h o n y. A n t h. A n t h o n y. Sorry, couple issues. Special

**Speaker 0:** means. Ananthony.hustlex@gmail.com. Yeah. I'll put it below anyway. If you can get your channel up, this will be going out in about two weeks. Yeah. You've been out doing in fields. It's it's so bizarre that you're back in fields, but I'm happy because I'm sick of answering the question what happened to that guy from 2010.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. Yeah. And also watch out. I'm putting I'm putting up YouTube channel very soon I'm doing filming now every day by the way just to give you an just to give you just to make you understand what it takes like we used to go out I think in the beginning maybe 20 sets, 30 sets a week. I'm doing now three hours every day. I'm doing somewhere between 70 to a 100 sets. Somewhere between five to ten hours of filming just to get back into the game. So if you have that kind of dedication, you get that kind of results. Yeah. You cannot do it with like two or three sets a week. Yeah. And you need to build momentum consistently every day if you wanna get good. And

**Speaker 0:** most people don't understand it, honestly. They like No. They have no idea. That's true. And when I say we were obsessive for two years, they don't understand. You need to have a PhD academic and a nerd like myself to be obsessive. And we thought that everybody else on that forum was doing it as well. And quickly we realized But now the knowledge is out there and all you have to is soak it up Yeah. And spit it out every day. Swallow. Swallow, baby. Swallow. Swallow. Final story, right? The first time we ever went to Riga in Latvia. And we were just there and we said, look, we'll do a bit of game, but we're just gonna have a bit of a holiday. We had some beers and then we spot some Americans in a bar. And I said to Anthony just for fun man just just try some of that really old shit you know the cliche cheesy Ross Jeffries kind of NLP and

**Speaker 1:** what happened can you remember even the routine I'm sure you can. I remember the routine because as I said we used 5% of the time to just practice routines and so the routine I remember it's a Ross Jeffries routine it's like It's fucking gold. It's really good. It goes like this. Let me tell you something about yourself. You make images in your mind very, very vividly. As a matter of fact, you can be talking to somebody, but you could be a million miles away in your favorite fantasy vacation location. Is that right?

**Speaker 0:** And it's not the words, it's the eye contact and the delivery. This girl was with a group of Americans and she honestly just went, oh my god. And her friend said, no, come on, we got to go to the club and she went no game over carry on tell me more tell please tell me something interesting about myself god bless americans and californians and you proceeded to run the usual you know yeah that was just the hook but after that like every other guy who would come like say, so you like from Minnesota or like like what is he gonna do? We had studied Ross Jeffries and you run the arm, you run the finger upper arm and you say it feels better and better and better deep inside.

**Speaker 1:** Stronger

**Speaker 0:** it feels and the Feels good doesn't it? Say yes. Oh my god. And she literally it was the first oh my god I'm using like literally but she literally Spazzed out. I've not seen it to that degree. She spazzed out. I'm like, oh my god. How do you know this shit about me? Oh my god. And you took it back to later. It was almost pathetic in its amazingness that It's a degree that you wanna like say, listen, I'm not interested anymore. Yeah. It's a joke. It started off as a joke. This is But too to a Californian girl, was ridiculous. And that was the day we said, you know, thank God for people like Ross Jeffries and Vince Kelvin and all these people we we took from. Yeah. Because because that was the beginning. Anyway, we're gonna be in Munich in August. Come and say hello. We'll be wearing lederhosen. We'll be looking like Bruno.

**Speaker 1:** Bruno? I will yeah. I will be looking I will be Yeah. Please.

**Speaker 0:** That's just so good. Yeah. Fantastisia. I will say stuff like, listen, I'm totally faithful apart from blowjobs and that kind of stuff. You know? It's it's an old joke. I mean, the young boys, oh, I can smell some some weed. Some really weed. I freaking amalgamer. Shall be in Munich, and then, I don't know what the future brings, but Anthony's back in the game after six, seven years. So that was the myth, the icon, the legend. He didn't die.

**Speaker 1:** He's here in an alley. He's almost, but Tom saved my life five times with them. The

**Speaker 0:** kiss, the magic kiss. From sir, I was just saying goodbye.