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# Episode 160 Get Back On The Horse

**Speaker 0:** Tom Torero podcast a 160 in sunny London on a sunny Sunday morning with a hangover and a sexy baritone voice. I'm in Soho Square once again. I keep being drawn to Soho Square. It's a good place to have breakfast on a Sunday just north of Seedy Soho. It has the Casanova connection. It has one of my favorite pubs just down the side street called the Toucan, which does the best Guinness in London. But why am I in Soho Square? I'm recovering from yesterday's London daygame meet up, and joining me sitting on a bench next to me, not looking as rough as I am and sounding pretty normal. So maybe that's his younger genetics. It's Tom. Do you remember Tom from previous podcasts? He's the guitar guy and he's also the how to have sex in a park guy and he was the guitarist last night with me. I was pretending to be a guitarist but Tom is a guitarist, that's his job and my, oh my, they were sweet licks. Sweet, lead playing yesterday. It was hard to appreciate because, it was a meetup, so it was quite loud and raucous and that was fine, and we were getting quite drunk. But Tom, your playing was beautiful. Good morning, Tom. Thank you. Thank you very much. Are you feeling alright?

**Speaker 1:** I'm feeling good today. Sunny, happy.

**Speaker 0:** You woke up with not much of a hangover. Maybe you drank less than me.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. Lots of water as well.

**Speaker 0:** That was being good. And you weren't singing or smoking, so I I sinned many times. But I'm waking up now. We've had a bit of breakfast. Yeah. And I haven't seen Tom for a while. So back on the horse is the topic of the podcast, both in the sense that you haven't done daygame for a while and you are about to get back into it. But more entertainingly, I admire the fact that you said, yeah, we'll be honest about what happened last night. Because some guys would try to hide it, but, let us set the scene we had the meetup thank you very much by the way if you came to the meetup we met many fine gentlemen some of you bought me beers that was very kind apologies if I didn't speak to all of you but, as I said I was aiming to drown out any serious theory with music so we played music yesterday and the idea was to meet each other in a Christian bible study and and have brotherly love and pray together it was very good yeah some guys came a long bloody way. One guy had come all the way from Italy. So if that's you, thank you very much. What were we saying? Yes. Let's set the scene. So we had finished playing. Tom had had a few beers by this stage, a few cheeky ciders. Ciders. Yeah. And I suppose you probably got a bit horny, did you? Did the old beer kick in and you thought Yeah. I'm feeling a bit horny and I and I don't wanna Yeah. Go home alone. So how did you actually start this ball rolling yesterday? Remember the girl that daygained, like,

**Speaker 1:** three months ago

**Speaker 0:** or four months ago. And you don't live in London do you? No. No. But this was in London three or four months ago. Yeah. I was

**Speaker 1:** coming to do some practice or just just for fun really. I was handing out some friends and then we'd done a couple of approaches. Anyway so I remember this girl she flaked on me on the first date like she seemed so on when I met her like real on in terms of like I gave the compliment she complimented me back straight away she even touched my hair

**Speaker 0:** So she dropped her phone? She dropped her phone as well. I'd have I'd have nicked it. Don't it, runner? No. But that's a sign. She was happily shocked. Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** And then she texted me very well, invested a lot. I arranged the first date, came to London, and she flaked just blanked off. So then I just didn't text her after that. Yeah. Until The accidental push away.

**Speaker 0:** You were silent.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. Just I saw her as a time waster really. That was basically it. So then I for like last night, I was like, who do I know in London? Ah, this girl. And then How many beers did you have by this stage? Three or four? Only three. Only three. Okay. And then, yeah, I texted her, and again she seemed very very on. This is while we were having beers with the guys. You just got your phone out and started texting you? Yeah, I just said, hey, I'm in Central London.

**Speaker 0:** Right. Yeah, she said, where? I said, Covent Garden. Can you read the timestamp?

**Speaker 1:** So 10:20, we're in Central. She replied within one minute. And I haven't spoken to her for four months, she's been on my Instagram stories watching me. And then anyway, she said, listen, I have a proposal to make Proposition. Proposition. Yeah. How late are you out until? I was like, oh, this is good. I said, most of the night. I sent a little photo pin of me and Tom at the gig. Oh, do you have your guitar with you? She says.

**Speaker 0:** This is replying within seconds. Yeah. Yeah. This is now 10:23.

**Speaker 1:** And then I just say, yeah, come to Covent Garden.

**Speaker 0:** And then shall I read that message then? Yeah. This is when the daygame gods seemed to appear from a cloud and descend down into Covent Garden, and all of us, including myself, was a bit too excited by this text message. This came at 10:24 and she said

**Speaker 1:** She said, so I have a dissertation that's due in August 24. So I'm working at the moment. But at 11:30PM how do you feel about coming to mind to chill and listen to some rock music I live

**Speaker 0:** near Covent Garden near Covent Garden

**Speaker 1:** ten minutes away so if I send you my address, you could come over. So rare.

**Speaker 0:** I mean And that's word for word. That's That is word for word reading that message out. So a booty call on a girl you hadn't even dated. So I said to you, okay, she's off relating this time of the month. This is one in a million, but it happens. There's one on stealth seduction, chin chin, where the girl sends me her address later night and I go there. So it does happen. Yeah. And if you asked any daygamer, you know, what do you put the odds on for that, you know? We were all celebrating, weren't we? We were like, go, Tom, go. Uh-huh. Yep. You were pumped, and you were ready,

**Speaker 1:** and pretty chilled, and Sobering up with the water to make sure it's hydrated, yeah. So you got your guitar around

**Speaker 0:** quarter past eleven. Yeah. And we all patted you on the back and we're like, nice one, man. And that's when I said the fatal words. We'll do a podcast on it in the morning, man. You can tell your lay story and, you know, we'll do one about booty calls. This is Yeah. And I said, it's a gift. It's a reward because you've been working hard on your business and you helped me out with that gig yesterday. I said, you know what? It's really good when the daygame gods roll you a six, man, or a double six. Right. Yeah. So let us paint the picture even more now as you walk towards her house with your guitar. What happened next? I texted her when I was outside. She came straight away. Naughty pigeon there. God, they're disgusting these pigeons in London. They just look so They're soho pigeons. So they are extra cheeky and extra dirty.

**Speaker 1:** Very confident. Anyway, yeah, go on. Yeah. And then she she basically came outside and let me in.

**Speaker 0:** What what the first red flag you said?

**Speaker 1:** First red flag, she wasn't really dressed up. She had like a jumper on. One of the hottest days of the year. Yeah.

**Speaker 0:** Red flag you said about the Tracksuit bottoms, kind of. Like Jimmy

**Speaker 1:** tracksuit bottoms. Yeah. And then in her room really hot as you know okay let's go and you know grab a drink she's like oh there's no drinks I just have water okay cool lights were bright on yeah and I was still thinking like, oh, okay. It must be on. What I just gotta do is chill out for a bit, show her some guitar, do a bit of physical on her, and then eventually something will happen. Right? I didn't push it too hard at first. So she she played the questions game on me. Did you know that? She said, oh, let's play a game. It's called 21.

**Speaker 0:** This is why I suspect she's done it before Right. On other dudes. I won't tell you what happened but I think it's very confident for a girl to say come over to my house, here's my address and then she says let's play the questions game. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's pretty smooth for a girl. Anyway, so all the listeners are thinking now, well, this is a 100%. I mean, you know, you're on a bed, you've done the guitar. When you were you lying on a bed?

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I got her in stages. So first of all, showed her a few chords on guitar, and then was touching her arms you know hands and then she got close to me a bit but she wouldn't touch me as such like there was no reaching out to me I had to do most of that work

**Speaker 0:** creepy kino yeah creepykino.com.

**Speaker 1:** Anyway, we started laying on the bed. I just said let's play guitar like this laying on the bed. She followed.

**Speaker 0:** Cut to the chase, Thomas. Yeah. What happened?

**Speaker 1:** Tried kissing her and she avoided that. I don't blame her. Then, yeah, started then started, send showing me texts of, like, other guys and Oh, this is good. Again, which I suspect

**Speaker 0:** is another reason she's done this before. She wanted you to leave voice messages for her Yeah. Male

**Speaker 1:** She kept like This guy who she really makes jealous a lot.

**Speaker 0:** He's chasing her like crazy, but So you're just involved in the plot You're yeah. You're just a tool for this drama. Yeah. Okay. And then did you battle on or did you just Oh, no. She she eventually kicked you out?

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. I mean, I tried kiss her maybe once more and then I thought I'm chasing too much. This is not on because I didn't feel that vibe from her. The same vibe as Yep. You know that sexy vibe that you know. Oh yeah, baby. I know the sexy vibe. So I started yawning a lot and she started asking me questions I wasn't answering, I was just lying in bed almost sleeping. It was really weird. And then she just said, oh you have to go home now.

**Speaker 0:** That's a romantic line, isn't it? 02:00 in the morning. Yeah. And and, Tommy T, Tom Torero was tucked up in bed, alone after a pot noodle and a wank. And, I vaguely remember my phone buzzing around 02:30 maybe nearly 03:00 and you were like I'm coming home where are you let me in exactly

**Speaker 1:** yep I called you once you didn't answer and I told listen, I just called him. It's I'm I'm gonna have to stay here. She's like, call him again. Well, okay. Well, that's That's quite fine. That's commiserations

**Speaker 0:** and and listeners are commiserating with you and all the guys that we were celebrating beforehand, now Yeah. Apologize. Never We should never, you know, celebrate before the lay. That's a lesson learned that I've done before. You tell your mates, yeah, man. I've done it a lot. Yeah. Yeah. So It's just you get excited, you know. But the theme of today getting back on the horse, that phrase being obviously something bad happens. Yeah. Someone has a skiing accident and then they say, fuck, I don't really wanna go skiing again, know. It might happen again or you fall off the horse quite literally and you're afraid of horses. So what happens to the majority of daygamers is you have a bad date, you have a bad experience and then you say no, you know, women are evil. You write it up online, You complain, you moan, you go over the situation, you're the victim. And I was expecting you this morning to be pissed off because I know a lot of daygamers that would be ranting. But you woke up with a big smile on your face. I thought you were still pissed. We've just had breakfast. You're very calm and you you shrugged it off, which is a real sign of both a pro poker player and a pro daygamer, where you take the wins and the losses. Why why do you think you

**Speaker 1:** are this calm? Have you been in that situation before? Can you deal with flakes now and blue balls? No. I haven't been in that situation exactly before. I've had flakes, of course. But I think actually the main thing is I faced bigger challenges and bigger fins and that. So

**Speaker 0:** that doesn't really bother me. And you said right now you've got other things going on in your life?

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. And it just helps you stay grounded, stay solid, stay happy as well. Yeah. Like when I when I left her house, I just like laughed to myself on the way home. I was just like, that was just crazy. Weird. But okay. New experience is a new experience right yeah so

**Speaker 0:** I was telling you about that lap feeling good on the van tour and it they still sting right I I'm sure at some level yesterday evening as you walked home there was sting. Maybe you were thinking that was a waste of time or that was a bit annoying or obviously you still have blue balls and you're like unless you wanked in an alley or something. Yeah yeah yeah. So the sting never goes away and then in I was on the van tour in Latvia and I I had that game playing girl yeah it doesn't last long it stung after it happened I went to bed feeling a bit like deflated but then the next morning you have to learn like it's a new day as quickly as possible you get back to your daygame self you get back to your dating that girl is now gone you know if you cannot let it fester that's when guys will go online onto forums and the rage will build it's like after a blowout or a particularly bad blowout, you need to get back and do another approach, you know. Don't go home. I say to students, don't finish your session on a really bad thing because you're gonna go home and you can think about that a lot and probably write it up on some forum. Yeah. So that's getting back on horse. But you've Yeah. You've been off the horse in other senses that you haven't been doing cold approach heavily for three or four months. You've been on the business hustle. Can you give us an update on your guitar,

**Speaker 1:** freedom, business, hustle? Yeah. So I haven't been doing cold approach pickup. I have cold approached for, you know, students.

**Speaker 0:** Well, that's a good point. Yeah. I get that that's kept you sharp.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. I guess it has in some way. Different skill. I mean, it's the same skills, but slightly different. Right? Yeah. Yeah. In some way. You're a guitar teacher for children. So so we hope they are different skills. Yeah.

**Speaker 0:** A lot of them with nice mothers, which we shall come on to. But the last time guys heard from you, you had how many students? It must have been I don't know the exact number, maybe eight, nine. I know I was earning just under 1,000 a month. And just to recap, if you've not heard Tom on a podcast, this is the guy you worked in a supermarket, then you were a one to one guitar teacher in person, and then you worked out how to do guitar teaching online. Yep. That's right. So you had this aim to get x number of students so you could

**Speaker 1:** be comfortable. Yeah. When I worked in the supermarket was only two years ago, when I got my first student was a year and a half ago and now I've taken four months focus purely on business nothing else. Roughly how many students now? Now 22.

**Speaker 0:** So you hit your target and you over your you worked out you wanted $2 ish a month from Yeah. Online guitar to $23. Yes. So you're you're hitting it now? Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** Just over $2. So I'm very happy with that. You know, it's not bad for twelve hours,

**Speaker 0:** work a week. Mate, I'm gonna insert some clapping here. That is bloody good. And you get a certificate with a smiley face on it. Because, again, it's impressive. A lot of guys want to do four hour work week stuff and leave their job and travel, but I keep saying to you, you're one of the few guys who did it. Mhmm. And you started it at what age?

**Speaker 1:** 23.

**Speaker 0:** 22, 23. Yeah. Wow. So to sort all this out and to get to $2 a month of

**Speaker 1:** teaching guitar online at twenty four twenty five that's amazing. Yeah and the big part of it is actually your mindset like I've done this got to $2 just in four months right if I lose all my students and everything lose all the money I can repeat the same thing again and probably get to the same result in another you know

**Speaker 0:** three or four months that's exactly the same as that story last night that's back on the horse But it took me maybe what three

**Speaker 1:** years two years to work out all the little to get the mindset right to get me thinking about money in a

**Speaker 0:** better way like earning more money and perfect that sales pitch which is a perfect daygame and b perfect your

**Speaker 1:** pitch. True. True. Yeah. Yeah. So now I've got that process down. I've got like a certain process I do. It's it gives me a new confidence the fact that I can literally

**Speaker 0:** if I'm running low on money, if I lose a student, I can find another one. And you said the nice thing that your parents actually believe it now. Because obviously they're nervous when, you say you're following this creepy old dude called Tom Torero and he said to quit your job and go traveling. That sounds very suspect. But now they must see that this is a reality you're on. They've even seen your students in real life, haven't they? At a gig and stuff.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. A student performance and they they were very happy because, you know, yeah, they're very happy.

**Speaker 0:** So back on the horse, in terms of girls in September, you told me you're going to Asia for mixture of music and pickup and some other kinky things which we shall mention, but I'm back on the horse for guys that have taken a break from pickup, right, for whatever reason, girlfriend, business, injury. What's it gonna be then your first day let's say in Korea I know you haven't decided exactly where you're going but yeah yeah yeah what's it gonna be like what how are you gonna get back on a daygame horse okay the first thing I always do when I arrive at new country is sleep because of obviously the plane journey,

**Speaker 1:** especially long distance flights. And then the the day after that basically is my day I just go out and force myself to approach. Jump in? Yeah. Literally. Does that new city give you an free Yeah. Yeah. There's something about being in a new place, a new environment. Yeah. It just makes you more excited. But actually saying that, it it kinda gives you a bit of nerves at first because you're like, what's gonna happen? Is this right for day game and all that stuff? Once you do that first approach and realize it's the same as anywhere else, it's

**Speaker 0:** That's quite a nice buzz to have. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. So the the you get the butterflies back, the a a comes back, but it's it's familiar.

**Speaker 1:** You know what I mean? Exactly. Yeah. And guess what? I get the same when I'm going out to sign up a student who I haven't And I haven't I've taken a long break from doing that as well. It's the same thing. And how long do you say, okay, this is gonna suck? Is it like a day, a couple of days? Literally, one or two days. Yep. I know I don't expect any results, really. I don't expect any numbers. Yeah. The first thing I work on is let's just get my vibe going by approaching.

**Speaker 0:** And even before approaching or around approaching, I showed you some this weekend of flirting with everybody, right? Where Yep. Yep. You have to get into an autopilot almost, and I showed you with flights and waitresses and there was a girl in a park yesterday where That was fun. Most students I know we should have recorded that and bless her she wasn't a beautiful girl was she? A girl approached us we were in a park yesterday and she was doing a survey. She was Polish and she approached us and she wasn't attractive. Yeah. But did you notice how I immediately went into autopilot of breaking rapport and I did all the lines just to to show you. And now when I that do with a student, the student will always say, why did you do that? She wasn't hot, man. I mean, what what's the point? Did you fancy her? Did you want a number? They see it as binary, like either I missed a daygame and I'm flirting with hot girls or nothing. I'm quite grumpy in a cafe. And the way I do it is if I'm going on a daygame trip, which I am in September, I think the end of September, even when I'm in the airport, I'll start with the guy behind the check checking desk. I'll make a little Yeah. I do the same thing. The girls on the airplane. Yeah. I'll make a little joke. And then when you're having breakfast before your daygame, like we just had now, I will tease the waiter, how was your meal? I will say terrible, you know. What would you like some love? You know. So that mindset of I flirt with everyone, I am flirty, this is win win, I feel good, they feel good. That Yep. Takes away a lot of the heavy weirdness that you see, some daygamers have when they walk around. It's either I'm talking to girls or nothing. You know what I mean? Yeah. I agree. Yeah. And wait, you were you were saying it was like, know, when a rock star, he's he's taken time off. He's old. He's gone out of divorce. He's he's got an illness, but people have paid to see him at Wembley. So he has to be able to walk on stage and for a time switch it on. And you can call that a mask or whatever, but you know what I mean, there has to be almost element of performance right if you're getting back into this yeah because not every day you're not gonna feel true yeah

**Speaker 1:** I didn't think of that until you was talking about it to me because when I've had gigs before where I don't feel like playing a gig you're just not in the right mood whatever but then you know it's a performance so you get up on the stage and you put on this different kind of person in a way it's still you but it's like a different side of you yeah You know, the wild side of you. And then within five minutes, the first song finishes, you get the audience, you know, clapping and you're just like, yeah, I'm buzzed up now. Yeah. I didn't think it would pick up like that though. Tom opened up my mind to that. I opened it wide.

**Speaker 0:** Well, this is why I often argue when guys complain and say, is pickup a mask? And I say, well, you have lots of personas during your day. You behave with your mom differently to how you behave with your boss, and then you behave differently if you're in church, you behave differently if you're talking to girls. There's an element of you take on a character and of course when you're a beginner you there's a fake until you make it and that you you have to walk around believing that you're higher value than perhaps you are, that you're a rock star, that you're a god, that you're a seducer, and it all feels a bit weird. And you're wearing new clothes and you're thinking this is it's not really me. That's necessary. And over time, of course, the the aim is to become that person and do it on autopilot and to be able to switch it on if you need to. So you're pretty confident anyway. Look at that pigeon. You're pretty confident that you can do that in September in Asia? Very confident.

**Speaker 1:** Like, I I approach with all the enthusiasm that I can. I give a 100% into it all. Yeah. And I think because you've done it in the past What I'm trying to say is, yeah, I'm not the most technical. I'm pretty basic with the actual daygame approach and stuff.

**Speaker 0:** But because you've done the whole system before and you've done the sales system before Yeah. Do you just trust your skill? Like, I say to myself, Tom, you've done this enough. Like, if I go out and do it, something will happen. Yeah. Exactly.

**Speaker 1:** Because my day game went down real, like, a lot when I started over analyzing, like, what words am I saying and what lines is this and high reactions and all that. Again, you need to analyze it in the beginning, though.

**Speaker 0:** Don't you? Yes. It's it's a stupid question to debate because both are needed. In the beginning, need to know what you're doing, and then in the end, you need to freestyle. Nobody's right. Yeah. The pro guitarist is right, and the beginner doing scales is also right. They're different questions. It's like, we were talking about over breakfast. Should Is it better to build value and girls come to you? Which we shall link to Asia in a second. Or is it better to improve your game? They're loaded questions. That's a trick question, because pickup is is the vehicle to deliver in value. Pickup is also the value in itself, because you learn pickup and you change yourself. But of course, it's also better to increase your value. Oh, yeah. And what you're about to do, let's skillfully link it to Asia. You're not only doing cold approach pickup, you're going over there to play gigs. You're going over there to play guitar. So, you know, I always just chuckle and say, yeah, for the pussy. But you genuinely wanna play gigs. Yeah? Of course. Yeah. Yeah. I wanna combine all the things I love in life together.

**Speaker 1:** Pigeons,

**Speaker 0:** pussy, and And guitar. And guitar. Was trying to finger another p, plectrums. Plectrums. Fingering. You're just a fan of fingering, really, aren't you? I've heard. Fingering the fretboard. Yeah. Fingering pigeons. That's a mighty bell. It's church. Time for church, Thomas. But yeah. Okay. So you've got multi levels of the hustle now. So cold approach is one. Playing gigs is

**Speaker 1:** obviously gonna get you female attention in Asia you know that yeah and and I'm using the cold approach skills to get the girls to the gigs if that makes sense I see it's more efficient daygame you can only date you know yeah you can throw three dates in one day but you got to do it one by one whereas I can invite 10 girls that daygamed out to a gig which is first of all much easier to get them out and then second of all I can filter you know, 10

**Speaker 0:** at once. This is levels of game. Did you hear the mystery thing on it? Where we're talking about it in Russia? Yeah. And we had a chat afterwards. We did. Yeah. Yeah. So neither is right or wrong. Like, cold approach is awesome on single girls. Social circle game is good if you can do it, but this is something even cleverer which is like, almost like club promotion where you're getting daygam girls, bringing them to a gig and then let in the pre selection magic happen.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. And I'm playing to my strengths. My strength is a performer and a guitarist, and that's where I am pretty the most high value. You know?

**Speaker 0:** Okay. And then the new level that you want to add is a bit of kink. It's a bit of filth perhaps inspired by Troy Francis and the like, but you just I know you said with your ex Korean girlfriend, you were dabbling. But you've got a new hustle going on now in Asia where you wanna only do the guitar and the gig, but you wanna add in fetish clubs. Can you explain? Well,

**Speaker 1:** first of all, I love the BDSM scene. I love the BDSM, like, what they're doing at the moment in it. Not the PVC though. Surely you don't love cheesy costumes. No. No. Just the normal clothes. But I I just love the whole I don't know how to describe it. It's like an out of world experience. I love out of world experiences and so when you sleep with a girl in the park for the first time it gives you that out of world experiences then when you've done it four times it gets a bit like the norm you know same with sleeping with a new girl from cold approach pickup. When you first do it, you may be 10 times you're like, wow, this is amazing. And then eventually, it kinda gets a bit like, I'm just repeating the same thing. So then I'm always seeking for that next out of world experience and definitely BDSM gives me that.

**Speaker 0:** What is that Korean film called? The Handmaiden's Tale or The Handmaiden?

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. Yeah. With the bisexual girls.

**Speaker 0:** I'll find out what it is. But, yeah, that's a slightly gentler introduction than Nymphomaniac. But you were you watched that with your girlfriend, didn't you? I've watched it with Asian girls. Yeah. I did. I did. She actually showed me. I didn't know that. Exactly. So this fluidity of female sexuality. And that's there's a lot of nice bi lesbian action going on in that movie. There's a lot. Yeah. And so, okay. But now you wanna really take it to the next level on this trip. What are you gonna do?

**Speaker 1:** Right. So I'm in contact with a very kinky girl actually from Asia. And so the country that I'm going to, me and her are gonna she's a singer as well and she's also into the BDSM scene as well which is great she has a lot of friends from that scene so me and her performing at a like kinky carnival and then we're gonna perform some normal gigs as well in, like, some pubs. And, yeah, that's what I'm doing to combine I wouldn't call that pickup anyway. That's just playing guitar and

**Speaker 0:** being into that. Yeah. In the back of your mind, you're you know full well that that's I know that if I invite some other oh, yeah. I know if I invite some other girls, yeah, it'd be easy. Man, don't be ashamed of it. This is this is an intelligent hustle. I know you love music and you would have done the gigs anyway. Yeah. But you're well aware the power of Instagram and guitar gigs. Like I said earlier, yeah, I'm playing to my strength. So I know that

**Speaker 1:** if I'm on stage as a rock guitarist and I invite five to 10 girls, I know that they're gonna see me as the most attractive guy in that room. And it's the environment you create for them which And you used to do that even in The UK in your old band, didn't you? You had you just spot the IOIs the audience, and then you just need to bounce. But I didn't daygame to get girls into the gigs. No. That's the difference. Yeah. Now.

**Speaker 0:** Okay. And this girl is gonna anyway introduce you to take you to some weird and wacky events. And she's obviously got a massive network of friends. She's pretty high up in the Yeah. In the thing. So

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. So we're going to there's like, they call them play parties,

**Speaker 0:** which should be so much fun. Again, I don't really know what to expect, but I just know it's gonna be fun. That's good, man. I like that feeling of being out of your depth. You know again which is again a bit of the nerves where you're like fuck me. Yesterday me singing and playing I'm like fuck. This is weird and I haven't I don't like it and I haven't done it but then it that's the that's the edge of you know however cheesy it is your comfort zone. Yeah and think you should always be pushing for that because once that becomes the normal thing,

**Speaker 1:** then you're on a I don't know. You're on a different level, aren't you? Flatlining

**Speaker 0:** and, probably descending, you know, if it's too comfortable. My tolerance for Yeah. Repetition is very low.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. And I I think to keep that kind of nice sparkly energy within yourself Yeah. Without sounding too spiritual. Do you know what mean? No. The puppy dog energy that you have, Thomas. That enthusiasm. Yeah. I think that's a secret to what I do is I just keep I don't like saying pushing myself because that sounds like I'm working really hard. Do know what I mean? Yeah. Lazy bastard. Trying for lots of new experiences and things like that. And that just gives me this energy, which I don't know. So it's like I thought it was drugs, but it's clearly not. Because you've woken up,

**Speaker 0:** in a in a happy state. Go for it, man. And next time I speak to you, you can tell us all the kinky stories, but we shall leave it there. Old father time is quite literally ding dong ing us out, and we have to go and return some gear, musical gear, not drugs. Thank you once again if you came yesterday to the London Meetup. I shall try and do them more often. I try and do one in America. I'm sorry to you guys in Australia. You're bloody miles away. Yeah. But you're in my prayers. I don't know if I'm doing a live stream today. If I put this out today, probably not. I'm wrecked. I'm still wrecked and I'm back to Wales and then I'm going to Germany and after that I don't know. But thank you, Tom. Yeah, thank you. And I shall speak to you next week. Torero. And bye for me.