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# Episode 177 Raw Dog It!

**Speaker 0:** Podcast a 177.

**Speaker 1:** Where are we, Troy Francis? We are in the center of London in the bowels of the city just outside the Griffin public

**Speaker 0:** house in Farringdon. Tell us, what is the Griffin? Because it sounds like a pub. Just experienced something bizarre in the middle of the afternoon.

**Speaker 1:** Well, it is a pub, but it's a pub where you also get a lot of young and not so young women dancing on stage and removing their clothes, and you have to put a pound in a pint pot every ten, fifteen minutes when they walk around. Otherwise, you get ejected.

**Speaker 0:** But, yeah, it's a very it's very wholesome, good, clean Family fun. Family entertainment. Yes. It beats beats the Weatherspoons. I'll I'll give you that. It's it's like a Weatherspoons, but with more naked women. Some of the characters in there, some very I in one on one hand, I respect them. These are men that have left their sad Christmas dinners and family arguments for a bit of striptease. Yes. But some of them look like they live there.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. That guy who was sitting in the corner just staring in in awe at the strippers. He looked like a politician or something. And and he was reading the papers in between the dancers. Yeah. I think was he reading private eye or something? It looks a bit like and then there was that guy who was talking to us who was the the big rock music fan.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. More interested in talking about Depeche Mode than he was about titties. Yeah. Well, for that, I can't blame him because obviously, Depeche Mode, iconic band. But he was into everybody, wasn't he? Was like ACDC, Kings of Leon. It was just like I stopped listening when he said Coldplay. Yeah. That is it I don't know how you can go. He said that he'd seen the Sex Pistols live, which is actually pretty cool. Mean, I would love to have seen the Sex Pistols. He was an East End character who then said he had a love for Coldplay and Mick Huttnell. But anyway Yeah. The DJ the DJ was good. The DJ was straight out of a Guy Ritchie film. Gold chains,

**Speaker 1:** big guy. Yeah. And now the lovely Lizzie on stage.

**Speaker 0:** Lizzie. Lizzie. Let's get busy. Come on out, Lizzie. Pounding apart. No photos, please. Yes. It's very strange place. A very strange place to go. Gold to gold rings. But why did we go there? Because today's podcast is called Raw Doggett. That's right. A family friendly podcast. Troy's leading me up the street to a another iconic London venue, a kind of greasy fish and chip shop. I think we're going to Nice to go in there. I'm quite hungry actually. Are I am after after what I've just seen. Yeah. Maybe fancy kebab. No. That's too far, mate. That's too far. We need to keep the London tradition going with greasiness. Why did I call it raw dog in it? I think it's an Elon Musk meme. I don't know whether Elon Musk actually said just raw dog it. But what that meme is implying Troy Francis is fuck it, just do it. Yeah. And I've made a podcast saying fuck it but what a great phrase when your mate says, you know, do you think we should go to Spain and you say, yeah, fuck it. Let's just raw dog it. Yeah. Yeah. It's a very London thing which is what we've just experienced where you're not ashamed of what you're doing. Yes. You're not hiding behind Moralization. A sheath of moralizing. You just say fuck it, let's do it. You're not I wasn't really sure what I was getting myself into there, but I I just inserted myself into something and said, do you know what? Why, you know, why feel guilty about this? And I respect that guy reading that newspaper because he was like, fuck it. Yeah. He could be pretending that he's not interested in women and titties, but he's like, I'm gonna read the paper Yeah. See some titties, listen to some classic music and then home. Yeah. Exactly. It's a great afternoon for everyone. And how many men are right now, you know, pretending to be interested in jigsaws?

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. Of course. You know, you get everyone sitting at home eating the turkey, eating the Christmas leftovers and, you know, but there were a few

**Speaker 0:** renegades out there. Actually, what you got Here we are. In the afternoon. It's a long story why we're here. But anyway It seemed like a good idea. It seemed like a good idea and it kicks off the podcast. It's quite a Sherlock Holmes sort of mist, sort of fog in the air. There is. This is the quintessential. When you say to a foreigner, London, this is what they imagine. A misty, wintry, Christmasy Dickensian.

**Speaker 1:** Yes. And this is a Dickensian area because we're quite near where Dickens one of Dickens residences.

**Speaker 0:** Indeed. It's down the road. But, yes, going into 2019, all action, less talk, raw dog in it. You're not quite sure what you're doing. You're getting started. You're getting stuck in obviously without the kids, the pregnancies and the STDs. Hopefully. Maybe some SDLs. Before we begin this podcast and I fire some things at Troy Francis who has kindly agreed to join me for this podcast. Some announcements. First of all, the dirty trick seminar that was recorded just before Christmas and I'm editing it right now. So hopefully by the beginning of January, I'll put that seminar online. Secondly, what else have I said? Yes, my two eighteen review is really not this podcast, it's a video on YouTube with the imaginative title of twenty eighteen review. So if you want to see my travels and the van and where I went, I think 25, 26, maybe 27 countries. That's on YouTube. And finally, if you're interested in the specifics of next year, I've hinted at it on my blog about my ten ten infield, what did I call it, mission infield. So it will give you a rough idea of what I plan to do next year and it certainly is raw dog in it, in all sense is. Literally in all sense. Yes. I'm not a fan of condoms. That is quite true. I'll dedicate another podcast to specific plans for next year, but let us let us where where's this fish and chip shop? It's just here. Right. Well, we'll walk into this fish and chip shop. I will pause the podcast for a second as we peruse the menu. This is called the fryer's delight. The tastiest fish and chips in town. You should get a picture of this really too. You. Are you having a ginger beer? Yeah. You are. I have do you do a small chips? It comes with chips already. What? It's one size of chips, is it? Yeah. I'll have a fish cake and small chips if you can. And no drink. Okay. Okay. We continue after ordering Some of the finest cuisine to be had in East in the East End Of London. Indeed. I'm gonna read off the menu. If you ever come into the fryer's delight, Place, Haddock, codskate, fish cake, pies. Now you might want a cheese and onion pie, you might want a steak and kidney pie, you might want a chicken pie if you're controversial. Controversial. Savoy.

**Speaker 1:** What is Savoy, Troy Francis? It's a sausage of some kind. It's like a sausage with no skin on it. It's a London thing.

**Speaker 0:** Well, whatever floats your boat, mate. Sausage and butter, chips. So, yes. We've ordered. You can We we're just observing some buttered bread, classic calf bread. Yeah. Something you'd find in Bethel Green. Yes. If you've seen the Cray film. What's that Tom Hardy called? Legend. Legend. Legend. Yeah. Not a bad film, but it glimpses some beautiful venues. Anyway, what I'm gonna do today for this Raw Dog in It podcast, this is why I've got Troy Francis here. I'm gonna go through my Santa's mailbag Right. Because it's bulging. Santa's sack of wonder, obviously around Christmas. I get a lot of mail. A lot of it's nice. Mail attention? Mail attention, particularly in that pub we just went to. I get a lot of mail people saying thank you people saying nice things people being pleasant but also in Santa's Sack of Wonder are a particular type of love letter that I save up, and in the past, I've done videos where I've read out fan mail of this variety. But this time, I'm gonna fire it all at Troy Francis In a few minutes. Okay? And see what he thinks. So we will use this mail as a springboard. So let's let's discuss it using the theme of being non monogamous. Yes. With raw dog in it in 2019. And first of all, can you read this out, Troy? And these are real real messages. I'll put them on my website. Number one.

**Speaker 1:** Enough of this, Tom. You need to stop to find a girl and settle down. Yes.

**Speaker 0:** This is very common. Concern trolling and I appreciate this. Enough of this, Tom, you need to stop. Tore, you need to stop with this filth and find a girl, a girl, one girl, and settle down. So let's examine this. Tore, why haven't you stopped? Why haven't you found one girl? Why haven't you, you know, grown up? This is nonsense. Why don't you do the right thing, you know, for the good of society, stop this fun. Right? What's going on here? Why aren't you at home with the warm glowing family today? Why are in a strip club eating fish and chips? Well, I just love the Griffin. So

**Speaker 1:** think let's be honest, it's the male biological imperative to have sex with lots of different women basically I think we all spread your seed yeah and I think we all know that and I think if we're honest we can all accept that that's true certainly the guys listening to this Now, we are often told by concerned trolls and by people of a more of a conservative view or just more traditional people in general that there should come a point when you stop all of the silliness, stop all of the messing around and you basically settle on one girl and you enter into a relationship. But my question or my response to that has always been but but why should you? Because actually you don't change. Mean I'm in my forties now. Yeah. You're you're bumping up on 40. Actually you don't change. I don't feel really any different than I did when I was when I was you know like in my late teens or twenties to to be honest. I remember asking my granddad in his seventies does it ever stop and he went no. Yeah. So that being the case you have to think okay so why should there be this like artificial line at which point at which I have to say I'm gonna settle down with one girl. Why why would that be the case because even they say to the virtue signaling things would say to you, you know, it's for the good of society. Yeah. I mean, is a big question. I've got issues with the whole idea of You have got issues. Got a lot of issues, but specifically, I've got issues with doing things for the good of society. Yeah. Read Lord of the Flies or The Selfish Gene. I mean, there's a whole there's a whole it's it's a very problematic thing. Mean, for a start, when you read Harry Brown and you got me on Harry Brown

**Speaker 0:** freedom in an unfree world. You would love that strip club Harry Brown. Yeah. I think he was in there. I think he's the bloke with the with the newspaper. Very libertarian. Yes. He

**Speaker 1:** says and I tend to agree with this. There is no such thing as society. Society is basically a group of disparate individuals. Yes. Many of whom don't even particularly like each other.

**Speaker 0:** Collectivists.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. So You know, like the old Monty Python sketch of stop that. Stop that silliness and let's all just let's all just buckle down for the good yeah the question is do you have a moral objective to is there a moral imperative that you should do something for the good of society I don't believe that there is and if you actually if you read iron rand who a lot of people we won't go we won't go into that we won't go down that rabbit hole but but her argument is actually you know your duty is to yourself effect. She she's just paraphrasing

**Speaker 0:** Richard Dawkins I suppose before you could say which altruism is is an evolved strategy nothing wrong with altruism I'm you know don't say be a selfish bastard

**Speaker 1:** you know treat others as you want to be treated because there's a biological advantage to that that's called prisoners dilemma yeah and on a very practical level as well I think the reality is that whatever each any of us do is not going to make a blind bit of difference in terms of society. I mean whether or not I you know settle down and get married or not is not going to make any difference to society because it just it's just not statistically relevant so therefore

**Speaker 0:** And fundamentally it just sounds fucking boring.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. It's like the fun the fun police you know. Like someone coming into the Griffin and stop that. Stop this silliness and go home and do a jigsaw. No absolutely I mean you know and probably some of the guys that we saw down the Griffin just then were were married guys who've done the right thing and settled down so you know more more the question the question shouldn't be what are we doing in the Griffin the question should be what are those guys doing there because if they've if they've done the right thing and so They're playing Jengu at home. Yeah. Why aren't they if if marriage is so great, then why are these guys sitting on their own in a strip club on a on an app? Before Troy starts

**Speaker 0:** ranting and getting us thrown out of the fryer's delight think it'd be to very get thrown out of the fryer's delight to be honest. It'd be a will first. Let's move on to the second letter as I delve into this bulging bag. This one's particularly wonderful because of the caps. You can always tell a really angry guy what do they call them gamma guys by writing in capital letters sustained so when I whenever I see a response that's written in capital letters I pay close attention and Troy can you read this second piece of fan mail out? Yeah, most women are shallow whores. They only want guys with gigantic cocks, a billion dollar bank account or look like photoshop models. They don't give nice guys a chance. Your fish has just arrived. That's beautiful. Thank you very much. Let's read that line again. They don't give nice guys a chance. Yes. And then in caps, fuck women, they are all whores. Well, this is the bread and butter of I'd say my inbox, right, and my YouTube comments and my blog comments. How would you respond to this saltiness not on your chips, but of this of this whole thing you know obviously guys are pissed off they're angry they are writing to me they obviously are bitter. Well for me because because I personally have a gigantic cock and billion dollar bank account, I'm perfectly fine with it. And I agree, look, if I didn't have these men model looks, none of the girls would be interested. Yeah. So let's all agree, you know, fuck women. I think he's meaning let's just fuck them but I'm you could take that to just mean let's all fuck women. You could say that. Yes. I think he's he He's has slightly pissed off. He's slightly pissed off. Yeah. And this is really a symptom of the

**Speaker 1:** virgin whore thinking isn't it yes

**Speaker 0:** good girls bad girls madonna whore but it's also a product rather than a symptom of there's a lot of content online that is clickbait worthy to make guys pissed off from what's happened is you've I think this is why I'm getting so many emails guys are fucking angry because

**Speaker 1:** they don't realize that there's all this content out there which is angry yeah it's making them click what's the marketing behind that yeah well because people like you say people are angry and they want they want something to we're all in this echo chamber, aren't we? And this is well known. I'm not original in saying this, but we're all in an echo chamber where we feel a certain way and then we wanna see confirmation of that. So if you're the kind of guy, you're not getting laid, you're not having the sex life that you want, and then you see an article with a headline that says, all women are sluts, all women are against you, it's everything's really unfair, then you're gonna click on that because that justifies your point of view. But the reality is, if you took that guy to a Victoria's Secret backstage party and you said you can have Do want a threesome with with these two? Then I'm sure that his, you know, they're all shallow horse thing would would drop pretty quickly and he would

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. The paradox paradox of of this this one one is is that that the guy is obviously watching porn, knocking one out, would love to have a bit of slutty action. But because he's not having slutty action, it's that weird shaming thing of Yeah. Girls that are And this is promiscuous just not with him. And this is really damaging a really damaging element of the,

**Speaker 1:** you know, men's online spaces is is this is this The monastery. Exactly. Yeah. Is this is slight shaming because, you know, I mean, for start, really it's it's hypocritical. Double standard. Yeah. It's a double standard because most men if Oh, these chips are fucking hot. Yeah. Because most men, if they could, if they had the the option to, would have sex indiscriminately with, you know, large numbers of women. So, you know, and the only reason they don't is because they they don't have the ability to or they, you know, they don't have the opportunity. But secondly, who's it helping? How how does it help anybody to criticize women for their for their sexual behavior? People say Troy that's very purple pill.

**Speaker 0:** In what way? Because You're on. You're sticking up for women.

**Speaker 1:** I'm not sticking up for women. I just think that we have to accept things as they are rather than how we'd like them to be and women have certain ways that they behave sexually and so do men and I think we just need to be honest about that with ourselves and just and

**Speaker 0:** Secret society really isn't it? Yeah. The the anger, the shame, but one of the rules of the secret society is that you're non judgmental. Mhmm. So the guys that are in it, that are getting it, the guys that are actually not paying in that, putting a pound in that pot, but, you know. Yeah. We saw the girls texting on WhatsApp, someone's banging them tonight. So those guys don't judge those girls for being strippers I enjoy the fact that they're hustling I think it's good I don't like being hustled myself don't pay for dances and all that but I get the hustle but being non but but judging is a sexually shaming classic tell that the guy is not in the secret society. Do know what I mean? Because if you were in it, like the DJ probably is, he just sat there. Do you remember one of the strippers went up rubbed their titties in his face and he's like, you know, how much does he see that a day, a month, a year? No big deal. Yeah. Exactly. Is he is he shaming these girls for being on stage in the middle of the afternoon? That's just he gets the hustle, man. So the fact I think that you are shaming women just shows is a mega

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. A 100%. Because if you were happy Yeah. With what you were getting as it were, then you wouldn't have any need to to shame them, you know. And you're shaming them I don't know. It's just a hypocrisy of a lot of this stuff that gets to me more than anything because you're shaming them for something that if you were able to benefit from, you you would fully approve of. It's an attempt to regulate the market as we always say. Anyway

**Speaker 0:** with that, enjoy these chips, enjoy this fish cake. What is that you're eating? Cod. Classic cod and chips. The cod father. Alright. We'll pause for five minutes as we stuff our faces. Cheers now. Well, 50 years old that chip shop, and I've just used the facilities upstairs. Did you see the bathroom tray? I did use the facilities, yes. That was a dodgy old staircase, wasn't it? Like a Victorian spiral staircase,

**Speaker 1:** like out of, you know, a pimp boudoir or something. Yeah. It's really weird. It like really all broken down and sort of moldy and this is that's what a lot of London used to be like though. And these days, it's all obviously cleaned up and Oh, the the young people of today. Yeah. They

**Speaker 0:** Right. I appreciate it. We need to we need to crack on it because we've had our chips, but the listeners are thinking what else is in this mail bag of love? There's a lot in there. Well, question number three I give to you is a review of one of my finest books, the cheapest one. I should say the lowest price one. Yes. On Amazon, how to flirt with girls. And this review says the following. Your book of flirting is the worst I've read till now. I Oh, no. I think he's not British. He says, I think you're son of a star star star star. Nice woman trying to ruin lives of people who wants to learn new skills. I think you make fun of them. You son of a star star star star. I love how polite he is that he doesn't even swear. Oh, he started out himself. He started it out himself. Oh, no. I wouldn't starve it out for this podcast. Beautiful woman. He exclaims exclamation exclamation exclamation. F you. You see again, he doesn't even say the Yeah. F you. It is not cool. Is this guy German? I don't know where to put the accent, but let's just say he's angry. But he's he loves women. He loves all women's. He supports women. Right. He he wants to protect and save women. And he's clearly got some very romantic ideas about how you should behave with women and talk to women. So he's not he's not liking this this, raw dogging.

**Speaker 1:** No. So what's his central point then? Is he basically saying that Treat women nice. Right. So he's saying that the book of flirting is manipulative and underhand.

**Speaker 0:** Yes. And women are these sanctimonious things, you know, as we just saw in the Griffin. They clearly they they don't have sexual thoughts. They don't wanna

**Speaker 1:** enter into this dance of flirtation. So leave them alone, basically. Yeah. So will protect them. So this is classic White Knighting really then, isn't it? In the sense he is he is standing up for women. He's standing up for the honor of women because he thinks that the the pickup artist is, you know, somebody who is there to subvert how things should be and to get women somehow by trickery or miss or mis chief. And that is just a misrepresentation of how it is because game is flirtation is about creating positive emotions in the woman in in the sense that, you know, she's gonna want to then continue to relate you know to have sex with you so I accept as a biologist

**Speaker 0:** that if the woman has a strategy and the male has a strategy one of those strategies wins let's say you get married and you give her all your money. She's she's she's lucked out. If you stay a bachelor like you are like I am, we've kind of won if you have sex. You know, she and and let's be honest, she does get pissed off after six months of this open thing.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. That's true. I mean, well, okay then. Yeah. And I accept that as well. But let's not be under any illusions that women themselves don't have their own. Precisely. And that was a good good to begin in the griffin for that very reason. Yeah. Let's not think those

**Speaker 0:** that Czech girl we met and that Russian girl we met, let's not think they're innocent and they're not hustlers.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, women certainly have their own objectives as you said in the sexual marketplace. They've certainly got their own strategies. Good on them. You know, and and there's nothing wrong with that. And sometimes guys can fall foul of that and they can end up, you know, locked into maybe a relationship they didn't want

**Speaker 0:** or, you know, they may even end up married when perhaps they didn't really want that, but they that's just how things pan out because they wanted to keep the girl. Where are we Troy? We're going straight on? We're going to Soho. Straight. We're gonna go straight down. We're sort of going to Oxford Street. Yeah. And then Tottenham Court Road. Yeah. Yeah. Tottenham Court Road. Right. Well, so to sum up that email, it's either white knighting or be careful of the purple pill which is like I'm picking up girls but I'm certainly not using any manipulative techniques. Yeah, I mean,

**Speaker 1:** I think you for everything in life, you need to if you have an objective, you have and the male objective, as we've said, is to basically be promiscuous. You have to have a way to achieve that objective and game is a way to achieve the objective of And be open be open about it. That's why it's called raw doggy, you know? I think I think I don't think this guy is getting at this, but I do think when maybe say feminists look at game, they'll say, oh, it's manipulative. It's on the hand. I mean, not it's not it certainly, it uses psychological understanding, but it's not in the way that they it's it's not about tricking somebody. It's a sort of it's a kind of a wink wink game where if you're doing it right the girl knows what you're doing, you know what you're doing Yes. And

**Speaker 0:** can't. I always say the bigger hustle is to that 80% of guys, you know, following the herd. Yeah. In in hustle on the acclaimed daygame documentary, the hustle part of it is that you and her are fucking behind the backs of the guys that are paying, guys that are supporting, the guys on Tinder, her husband. That's the hustle. The sex I want to have, yeah, is nudge nudge wink wink, you know that I know but I accept long term if I'm gonna win, then I stay a bachelor, you know, and she's clearly disappointed that you're not settling down. That is that is it. Let's move on. Can you read the fourth letter of love from Santa's sack?

**Speaker 1:** If this guy gets pussy with a face like that, then I will happily pay for the advice. Thank you very much. Send me an email. No problem. That wasn't actually in it. I just thought it was me.

**Speaker 0:** It says It does it does say that. Genuinely says it. It says that and then it goes, this proves looks mean fuck all to women and looks maxing is a waste of fucking time unless you're gay.

**Speaker 1:** Personally Quite good. With that, I agree. Yes. Personally, I would not waste my time with women. It's

**Speaker 0:** like trying to seduce an insane serial killer. They are irrational nut bags. Who needs them? Oh, there's a lot to unpack there. I do like the fact there's just something slightly gay about that whole, you know, the fitness lifting thing. Yeah. That's why I got off Twitter. It's slightly a circle jerk.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. What we've said before, I mean lifting and stuff, it's a it's a if you want to stay in shape, stay in shape. But let's face it. Pete Docketier, has he ever lifted? Yeah. They're separate topics. I always say that to people. I'm not against development. I'm not against fitness. But So Pete Just just for for people that don't know, Pete Dougherty, the lead singer of the band, the libertines, famous drug Heroin drug. I know. Yes. He pulled Kate Moss. Now Kate Moss at the time was an, you know, she was one of the most beautiful women in England and he was a drug addicted skinny ratty little bloke in scruffy clothes

**Speaker 0:** and If you don't believe this, look at the boyfriends of Ariana Grande, you know? Church going, family loving jigsaw doing Yeah. Dog walking men. These are violent men, these are drug addicts. Do you need to be this kind of person? No. But do you need to exhibit the traits of these kind of men? Yes. I I've written an article on why I ask girls do they like Marilyn Manson yeah right who's based on Charles Manson obviously is a caricature of a bad man but the fact that girls fantasize about someone like Marilyn Manson or even Aussie Osborne

**Speaker 1:** tells you what you need to know about 18 year old hot quote unquote innocent girls. So lifting is kind lifting is kind of beside the point really. I mean, yeah, if you wanna do it, do it, but it's that's not gonna be the thing that gets you over the line because there's plenty of guys who are in great shape physically, but they're not getting the sex that they want because they're not pushing the right triggers. Well, there's plenty of, you know, lifters like myself, you know, championship. Lay I think you should actually lay off the lifting for about It's intimidating.

**Speaker 0:** You'll say to me, Tom, I feel scared when you take off your t shirt, you know. I think you've taken it a bit too far. You're getting obsessed with it. But let's move on to the second part of the email where he's he's clearly pretty angry again. He says, women are insane serial killers. He's been reading a lot of the clickbait articles. They are irrational nut bags. Who needs them? So the key three words at the end are who needs them? Yeah. I e,

**Speaker 1:** fuck this game shit. I'm done. Yeah. Exactly. So for a start, sounds like he's been dating a few of my exes. So I can't who were indeed irrational

**Speaker 0:** nutmeg. All women are emotional.

**Speaker 1:** No. I'm joking.

**Speaker 0:** Hang on. We're bypassing a number 38 bus here.

**Speaker 1:** But the who needs them thing is an attempt to say, well, it's a game I'm not gonna win, but actually I didn't wanna play it anyway, so it's okay. And that's what I think a lot of these guys who troll people like Tom and myself to some extent are are doing. They're trying to evade responsibility

**Speaker 0:** for taking control of their own sex Also playing the victim. Yeah. Like, you know, woe is me. So I'm just opting out of playing Yeah. Even though I'm writing this comment on a YouTube channel about pickup or I'm sending you this article. You know, why would a guy like that be reading this stuff if he has opted out and more importantly, you can't opt out because by not playing you lose.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah, totally. I think again you just have to take it back to the hypothetical example. If you took that guy to a Victoria's Secret secret after party and there were lot of hot models there, would he say who needs them? If if it was available to him on a plane, I think probably not. So you know, it's all of these things you've got to take it in the context of the options that that guy actually has. Scarcity. Yeah. Okay. Right. Next one because we're

**Speaker 0:** nearly in Soho where we want this podcast to end. Love letter number five to Tom Torero says, you have no idea, capital letters, no idea how to talk to hot girls. All your girls, Tom, are ugly fives. All of them. Actually, they're sheep. So, you know, any hole is a goal, any paw in a stone. Real alphas, now remember that phrase, Francis. Yes. Real alphas don't need to talk to girls on the streets. Even Tinder beats this shit. Okay. A lot to unpack there, but what do you think about a guy perhaps on the keyboard in his armchair a kind of guy that would leave a comment next to her you know what what's that hot Instagram called Emily Emily Ratajkowski let's say yeah would not bang four She's pretty average. Where's this guy coming from when he says, know, don't talk to girls on the street. Even Tinder's better than this shit. Your girls are ugly. Trademark.

**Speaker 1:** Well, again, it's a denial lot We're

**Speaker 0:** people doing it.

**Speaker 1:** Empirical evidence for that, but that's what he's asserting. We're But then,

**Speaker 0:** what's the next bit? He's saying, why

**Speaker 1:** would you even talk to girls on the street? You know, this is ridiculous. Then he's saying, seems to be saying if you're an alpha, in inverted commas, then they'll just come to you. So it's almost like build it and they will come. Build the dreams. But but then he's saying even Tinder's better. So is he saying the alpha is the alpha sitting in his pants on his sofa scrolling through? Surely, he's that alpha, the girls are just gonna come to him.

**Speaker 0:** Meme meme. This is classic self development meme of, you don't need any feedback from reality which is what talking to girls is. Yeah. You should just build your value so high that they will come to you on the sofa brackets

**Speaker 1:** also do Tinder. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So therefore, he's saying that you shouldn't even need to approach girls on the street. But what is this? I think you said it before, avoidance. Yeah. Exactly. So he's saying he say by characterizing it as not alpha, he's he's giving himself the excuse to opt out. He doesn't have to do it because if he did it terms in the terms that he's reframed it, he would then be not alpha. So he's like, I am alpha and I just sit at home and I I don't get any girls but at least I'm alpha. And write comments on the Internet. Yes. Anyway,

**Speaker 0:** thank you for that lovely love letter. It is my dream to become a real Tinder alpha. Next one, can you read this one? Because this is I think you get a lot of these as well. This is the sixth one. Alright. Okay. Okay. Go for it. You are part of the problem. Day Correct. Daygame and pickup in general is degenerate. It makes me sick. Capital letters. Empty meaningless sex is pathetic. Capital letters. Pussy chasing. It's hashtag hashtag MAGA. Well, why where do you start with this? So you're a degenerate Troy Francis. This guy is clearly morally outraged. He believes that there is meaningless sex and meaningful sex and then he's tied it up with some politics, you know, about conservative family values. So are you a broken man Troy Francis for enjoying sex? Oh absolutely.

**Speaker 1:** No, I don't think so. Think This is a nice square. Yes, very nice. Think the enjoyment of sex for a man with different partners, different female partners is absolutely natural. I just think that's what we were programmed to do. Think what's in a sense, if you wanna call something unnatural, it's Monogamy. Forced monogamy you you could argue that enforced monogamy is is unnatural because you are going against the fundamental biological drive that we all have that's not to say it's bad I'm not you know cast his versions on

**Speaker 0:** But if you battle against a biological truth of humans being monogamish, kind of monogamous for a few years just to knock out a child and raise it, that is the reality. But if you want to believe it's not, you have to construct this incredibly elaborate

**Speaker 1:** narrative. But degenerate is a really interesting word and it's a very politicized word as well as we know from

**Speaker 0:** European history. It's my but it's my most common hate word, actually. And it's

**Speaker 1:** again, it's taking the moral high ground, isn't it? It's these guys are able to say, oh, these these pickup artists, these people who go around pussy chasing, they're they're morally reprehensible. They are they're less than. They're not they're not real men because a real virtuous man you know would suppress

**Speaker 0:** his urges and I guess get married. It's kind of implying that this man is squeaky clean there's no dirt on him no skeletons in the cupboard this man is almost like a like a like a pope Yeah. In his judgment of your sexual behavior and also kind of implying that he doesn't watch porn once again pause the podcast and just look at your browser. Is that really true? Yeah. I just don't buy it. I think again if you took that guy and you took him to a pawn shoot or you introduced him to some, you know, hot naked paw bottles, I think he would be In his element. Do you remember that Carl Pilkington? I think it was a podcast where he he came up with Captain Bullshit. And Ricky Gervais is like, well, what what would this superhero do? And Karl says, well, you just fly down and whenever you were talking shit, he would just come up to you and get point a finger at you and go, bullshit. And I I agree with Karl Pelkin. I think there's a difficulty when you're a guy. I I think there's a difficulty with

**Speaker 1:** saying things about the male experience which we all know are not true. Because as much as the sort of Christian conservative type guys can bang on on Twitter about how, you know, the best life possible is just to be monogamously married to one woman for forty five years. The reality is Yeah. They know. That we all know damn well Yeah. That if you could get away with sleeping with a sexy 20

**Speaker 0:** girl and nobody would ever find out. They would fucking do it. Yeah. They were those were the guys in the Griffin. Some of them, you know. And the fact that this whole thing about sex having a higher spiritual Christian meaning. I said to you earlier, imagine going up to a lion or a couple of dogs who are having a little fuck in an alley and go, excuse me, with none of this degenerate sex please, sex has a higher moral meaning.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. The dog would be like, fuck off, mate. I just well, mine certainly doesn't and if you certainly not the start of the world. Certainly all the bangs I've had in Torture Garden anyway.

**Speaker 0:** Well, come on to that. Come on to your comings. Number seven, moving swiftly on because we are entering a legendary rock and roll street just on the edge of Soho, just off Tottenham Court Road. This is do you know the name of this street, Troy? It's the one with all the guitar shops.

**Speaker 1:** Oh, Denman Street. Denman.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. Where you traditionally come and pick up your your high hat or your 12 string guitar, whatever. But there's a lot of rock and roll history around here. There's a really seedy street down here that connects to It just demolished most of that which is for cross rail I think that I think is is that sort of part of it? Shame on cross rail. It's making me feel old. I was reading before Charing Cross Road is actually a relatively new road itself. It was only built in about 1850 or something. So Well, this is like a history tour of London. And do you know why they call it Soho Troy Francis?

**Speaker 1:** It's the French hunting cry, isn't it? Allegedly. This used to be a rural area, and we'd ride in,

**Speaker 0:** not in that sense, shouting so ho ho. Yes, and now we ride into hunt different kinds of fright. People are screaming different things around here. Number seven, again, I think you get this a lot. This is a lovely Tom Torero email. Your manipulative techniques will never secure you a high quality written in capital letters woman. The caps lock should tell you everything. Broken sluts. This is super bullets we walk through. Might come home with you, but that's all. K selected, very popular term. K selected girls don't fall for your creepy

**Speaker 1:** tricks. It's interesting he uses the word creepy, isn't it? Which is normally a a word used by Yes. By by women or by women. But a lovely a lovely ending. A

**Speaker 0:** lovely ending to this email. Lovely shoes. Lovely. Lovely. She says my girlfriend wouldn't be seen dead talking to you. I start what she said to me in the back of the car. Where do you start with high quality women and k selected not all women are like that. Well, for for

**Speaker 1:** a start, it's not true, is it? Because we know you know from your own data that you've met all different kinds of girls through through day games. So you've you've met sort of PhD students, lawyers. I call them shape shifters. Yeah. I'm

**Speaker 0:** just pointing out a venue here. What's that called? The the the hussy? Oh. Do you remember this pub? Not sure. Oh, the the old it's a Hungarian restaurant. Used to be. So gay hussar. Gay hussar, which features in a in a lot of Russian spy espionage, London m I five, KGB stuff. A lot of meetings used up in there and just a little I think this used to be Banksy's. Banksy would never sell his work directly, but the dealer of Banksy was this shop here. Oh, really? Used to be a pub here. What street is this? This is Greek Street. This is Greek Street where the Amy Winehouse jazz after dark bar is. And that classic

**Speaker 1:** the classic secret venue that we went into which is just here.

**Speaker 0:** Don't do we we won't say it. Is it there? I think it's here. That's fucking stealth. Is it closed? Maybe they just re I think they're reapplying for the license. Oh, yeah. That's how dodgy it was. We walked into a set of like Benendorm or El Dorado, like a nineties crime Yeah. Movie. Very dodgy. An underground bar. Anyway, let's get back to the purity fantasy. Why are men so obsessed with this, you know, game only works on whores?

**Speaker 1:** Why are they obsessed with it? Because they wanna avoid doing game for a start, which is always kind of what it comes down to. They they want a buffer between them and actually having to put themselves on the line. So then, so the the excuse that they're using in this context is they're saying, well, I'm not gonna do game anyway because no high quality woman would would fall for it. So therefore Yes. That's not the right strategy. What's the big massive fucking danger where you're chasing high quality

**Speaker 0:** vetting

**Speaker 1:** wife material. Well, I so I've got a big problem with the whole idea about vetting because I just don't think it's realistic. I think you can date somebody and you can Oh,

**Speaker 0:** mate. Area. We're, yeah. Look what's happening here. So we're talking about vetting, we're outside one of our favorite seedy venues called La Capinai Gentleman's Club, which is one of the last seedy strip clubs. Probably the seediest strip club in London. Probably one of the most dangerous in an alley just off Soho Square there's a mouse see the mouse oh yeah but anyway we always say that it's gonna disappear and right now it's surrounded by scaffolding anyway yes, France is vetting and filtering.

**Speaker 1:** So I don't think vetting can ever work and the reason is because, okay, you can date somebody. I mean, I've, you know, I've dated people for twenty minutes or so and it's it's been no. I I've dated girls for, you know, six months, a year, a couple of years, whatever. You can get to know somebody. You can get to know somebody very well. But when you're talking about going into a long term relationship, you could be talking twenty, thirty, forty years. How can you possibly know how somebody's gonna react

**Speaker 0:** or how somebody's gonna behave in over a long time period. I just don't think it's possible. Women just aren't more importantly biologically different. You can't blame women for having a sexual strategy. You can't blame me your dick for having a sexual strategy. Is she gonna fantasize about other men, about dominant men as she's fucking you after thirty years? Fuck yeah. Fantasize about leaving you? Fuck yeah. Yeah. I mean, to to to pretend that there's a certain group of women that don't fall under the parameters of biology. That's the weirdest, most kind of Scientology

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. You know, blinked thinking out there. Yeah. And very intelligent guys will Yeah. Will believe that, which is incredible. I mean, what you can say what you can certainly say is that some women I mean, they they we talk about hypergamy, don't we? Or hypergamy. You can say some women may not choose to act on their hypergamy just as some guys may not choose to to cheat in a marriage. But how you know that your girl is gonna be that girl ahead of time is is impossible because she'll she'll be thinking about it. You'll be thinking about it. You can't you can't change that. The thing is as well, it said that after about three years of female sexual attraction for her partner starts to fall off. So what she says in the early stages when it's all firing and it's all great and the sex is amazing and all the rest of it may be very different to what happens later on when all of that started to fall off which inevitably it will. Well, it's the same for both parties, know, this is not a conscious

**Speaker 0:** evil thing she's doing to you just like your dick is not a conscious evil thing that you didn't do, you know. Well, you always talk you always talk about the oxytocin that is present in the initial phases of a relationship and it's fucking amazing. I mean, I've experienced it many times. But that's what the siren song I call it. Nature's done that to draw you out of your, CAD freedom Yeah. To settling down supporting a kid which needs to be done for two to three years. I keep getting pulled in and nearly dash to pieces on the rocks. And as Troy Francis says that we appear on the the gay street of London called Old Compton Old Compton. Street. Yeah. Look at the serendipity in that. Which apparently,

**Speaker 1:** because I've been reading a book about Soho recently, so I know this stuff. This wasn't all this wasn't always gay. This been gay since about the nineties. But prior to that, it was back here a hundred or so years ago. It was a French street, very famous for loads of French, and a lot of Huguenot settlers lived down here. A lot of bourgeois theatrical

**Speaker 0:** types as well. What's the what's the French venue called? The French House. Yes. Imaginatively titled. Well, we're getting distracted here. That was very nice. Let's do two more before we end our tour of London in another seedy cafe for a cup of tea. It's a personal favorite called Bar Bruno. Absolutely. Yes. I've been going there since I was a wee young nipper of a lad. It's a bizarre cafe, one of the last kind of builders cafes which is half builder ish and half very gay. Not really sure of the the average clientele but it's a good one if you like bubble and squeak,

**Speaker 1:** sausage and mash. It's authentic because in London everywhere is now a Pret or or some Starbucks or whatever. In those days, it was all genuine. And of course, the famous the classic Sunset Strip venue just on the road. You're welcome. Walk by Sunset Strip for the next question. Let's

**Speaker 0:** see if if this ties in. Yes.

**Speaker 1:** Okay. It should be said actually. We should probably mention Soho was always the red light district of London until quite recently. Well, it was Covent Garden at one stage. Yeah. True. True. Yeah. The hookers used to hang around Covent Garden, didn't they? So

**Speaker 0:** Right. This one says, fuck right off and die. So that's kind of a Christmasy message, know, bit like the queen speech. I've had this sitting on my chest for months. Thanks for fucking up the planet and society. Thank you, Troy. Yeah. This is the highlight, which is definitely so heart worthy. Suck a monstrous cock. Drop dead. Buy and die. Lovely rhyme. Fuck you, he finishes. Now, I do do like the fact that a lot of a lot of the angry rant rants mention you know suck a dick cocks seem to be obsessed with this kind of gay imagery which that's a whole different podcast, you know. What what do you think about this anger, this lack of emotional control? Does this guy need to be in enjoying himself really in sunset strip? Does he need to get laid more? Have you ever sent a message like that, Troy? You know, on on a something you bought or something you've watched. Have you sat down and gone right, fuck you motherfucker and just gone nuts on the keyboard? I've never sent a message as angry as that about anything.

**Speaker 1:** And I don't see why you would really because you're sending a message to some random person on the Internet whose content you don't even have to watch if you don't want to, who you don't know. So clearly, it says more about him than it does about about you or about, you know, the content creator in general.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. I think Here we go. Here we are. It's closed. I think you should come here, you know. That is that old saying, the angrier a guy is online, the less sex he's having offline.

**Speaker 1:** Sunset Strip, one of the finest strip clubs in London town. It's been here since the it's been here for about seventy years, I think, as a strip club. They've done very little with the decor, especially downstairs. Yes. It's a beautiful place, though. Lots of, fond memories. And if, Ernst Graf is listening to this, bit of a shout out, but I know that he's a big fan. Is he a regular here? I don't think he's a regular now, but I think he used to be when it was even more seedy. And we're not this is not advocating pay for play. We always say we're advocating for that,

**Speaker 0:** raw dog in it style of being honest about what you find attractive. You know? Well Is it is it okay to watch a pair of titties? We don't pay. We always get kicked out basically because we're never paying for dances or anything. But is that something to be ashamed of? I personally like to celebrate the

**Speaker 1:** the filth of the city and the decadence and the degradation of the the big city. Think But, Troy, what about society? Well, I I never say I never signed up to be a savior of society, you know. Shame on you. Well, you know, people say that as if there's a contract between you and society that you've signed up for and therefore you have some moral obligation to Oh god. Choice are fun, won't you? Exactly. Okay. But I never

**Speaker 0:** Last one. We'll go down. Yeah. One of the Oh, this is a this is a symbolic street for this podcast. Which I think translates to shit street, doesn't it? You're reading too much into that, Troy. Now, why is this street, Mayor Street, we're strolling down in so why is this fascinating as we come up on the left to a black door it looks very Edwardian. It could look like something out of a Sherlock Holmes novel. Why is this door on the left significant, Troy Francis? Because Sebastian Horsley

**Speaker 1:** Who is who is Sebastian Horsley? So Sebastian Horsley died about ten years or so ago. Now he was an English eccentric artist. So his most famous artistic work was when he went to The Philippines and had himself crucified in the He was a provocateur, wasn't he? He was he was a provocateur. He would walk around Soho wearing these outrageous clothes, like sort of big big top hat, big platform shoes. He was a big glam rock fan, so he was kind of inspired by that. And he was non monogamous. He talks a lot about the dangers of monogamy for the artistic spirit and how stifling it can be. And he said that it would it would be it was something he could never sign up for. So interviews are pure raw dog, you know, they

**Speaker 0:** he's he's he's as he's a breath of fresh air. Yeah. And he's completely

**Speaker 1:** he completely gave himself up to the to sensual pleasure effectively. That was what his the purpose of his life was, you know, he was he was a drug addict for a long time. He was he was into sex. Sex. He was, you know, he he didn't care about saving society. He cared about the sensual pleasures that he was able to feel in the moment. Being honest to his yeah. And and to be honest, and this is the thing. Right? You might you might hear that and you might think, well, that's disgusting. How could such a you know, how could you endorse such a character? But the reality is, I think many, many, many people listening to this would do exactly the same thing if they could. Well, they they are just hiding it. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's massively liberating. We've said something on the other podcast to to finally first say to yourself and then slowly start saying to other people around you. Do you know what? No. There is no settling down. Because Do you know what? I Oh, that was a nice smell of weed. Yes. That guy's living a dream. But

**Speaker 0:** what it says on Sebastian's door, we're outside his door, it says this is not a brothel. There are no prostitutes at this address because he was tired of people banging on the door. So it wasn't just play for play. He was No. He said he was He well, he was he was actually

**Speaker 1:** you know, he was a he was a very charismatic guy. He was not bad looking. He was all the rest of it. So he was able to He just enjoyed the filth. He enjoyed the filth. And I think this is important because he and he was open about enjoying the filth, and he wrote a whole book about it called Dandy in the Underworld, which is a great autobiography if you get a chance to read it. He just was open about it. He admitted it, and most people don't admit it. And that's the problem that we're seeing on the manosphere at the moment is that most people are sort of hiding behind a facade of it's virtue signaling. They're saying what they think is gonna sound good to other people and potentially to women as well who's They still won't get them laid. He's he's not gonna get them laid. He's not gonna bang you, brother. Exactly. Let's finish with the last one as we near our final destination. We're like the three kings

**Speaker 0:** coming towards the nativity scene of the glowing warmth of bar Bruno. There it is in front of us. Number nine, one of my favorite love letters in the past twelve months. Tom, I reckon you film all this, he's talking about my travels, against a green screen in a basement. You fake ass fuck face. That's right. It's all against the green screen in Wales and my mom plays the different characters actually. We just dress her up. What a sham. And he says, and your podcasts are boring. Well, that a fair comment. That is an accurate review. The girls on your Instagram are ugly as fuck. So we're back to that one. I wish you'd just stop. This is the interesting bit. I wish you'd just stop your ego, you ego maniac. So just before we end up bar Bruno, what's this thing Torero Francis about shaming shaming the ego? How are you? Good. And you? And you are Colombian?

**Speaker 2:** Yes.

**Speaker 1:** Me? No. No, Espanol. Really. I only speak British. I only speak British English very slowly.

**Speaker 0:** My mother said Colombian girls very dangerous dangerous beautiful like a furno volcano

**Speaker 1:** No. Dangerous indeed. You have very dangerous eyes. We we are Christian boys. We are here to make prayer. We are good boys. We are sweet boys. So obviously

**Speaker 0:** We just want to be your friend. Exactly. No sex before marriage.

**Speaker 1:** No. No. I understand. You agree? Yeah. I agree. Agree with the mother. I agree with

**Speaker 0:** you. You trust Vayna. We are We're trustworthy looking guys though, aren't we? We are sit we're standing on the corner.

**Speaker 1:** We're standing on the corner in Soho. We look very trustworthy.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah? My name is Tom. Tom, my name is Glenys. Glenys. Tom. My name is Troy. Troy. Troy. How are you? Glenys?

**Speaker 2:** Glenys. Actually, I finished my work right now. Congratulations.

**Speaker 1:** Your mom? No. She finished at work. Oh, okay. Right home. I went to the gym. Oh, nice. Good. Good. Do do some lifting? Do some lifting. The man has feel like lifting. Do you like guys do you like guys who who lift?

**Speaker 2:** No. I like not exactly. I like a little bit heavy

**Speaker 0:** heavy heavy heavy. A heavy man like myself. Yeah. Me meet meet the big. Are you saying

**Speaker 2:** you I'm fat? No. No. Yeah. A little bit You're a little bit fat.

**Speaker 0:** Shave. Shave. Shave. Shave. My final question. Listen, you're going to the gym. We are going to have tea, next time I will send you a message. Where are you living? Here in London? Yeah, live in London. Where?

**Speaker 1:** Yeah, over there. I

**Speaker 0:** live in Chinatown.

**Speaker 2:** Chinatown? Yes.

**Speaker 0:** Where do you live? I work in

**Speaker 2:** Stratford. Far away. Westfield. Yeah. I I work in assistant manager.

**Speaker 1:** Oh, Really? Oh, so you're very powerful.

**Speaker 2:** We another There's a lot of problem. Have everything. Are

**Speaker 1:** you a strict manager? Yeah.

**Speaker 0:** Well listen, next time we will send you a message. Okay? And you can come. What? Let me write your number. 44. Troy and I will send you a message.

**Speaker 2:** 07?

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. That's WhatsApp yeah? We will take you to church.

**Speaker 1:** Absolutely. I think clearly

**Speaker 0:** you need to go to church very badly. Yeah. Okay. Do you remember my name? Egomaniac. You seem to be an egomaniac. What's all this thing about, you know, trying to have a better life, do better, achieve things. You should just stop. I mean, is silly. Yeah. Talking to girls like you just did. I mean, why can't you just stop? Well, there's a contradiction at the heart of this, isn't there? Because the whole manosphere is meant to be about improving yourself. It's meant to be about creating the life you want,

**Speaker 1:** going for it, being the best that you can be, all of those kinds of things. And yet, if you actually do that, then you tend to get called a narcissist or you get called an egomaniac. It's an easy get out of jail, Krauser. Well, I think the word narcissist in particular has become a bit of a just a catch all insult that is meant to shut down the debate. So if you come out with any opinion that somebody doesn't like online, they'll say, well, that guy's a narcissist. Yeah. And then it's just like, okay. Well, don't listen to him. He's a narcissist. It's that collectivist thing again of, you know Yeah. Crabs in a bucket. Well, they don't they don't

**Speaker 0:** individualism is is strangely not welcomed by

**Speaker 1:** some elements of

**Speaker 0:** a a movement that in the first place was meant to be all about individualism and all about improving your individual life. Don't get political toy, Francis. I'm not. I'm skating and I'm skating on I What's the thing about, you know, none of this can be real like what we just did with that Colombian guilding? Well, because if

**Speaker 1:** that can really happen, which it did just happen, then guys who don't cold approach are feel guilty because they're gonna think shit, I could actually be doing this. I could be going and talking to girls. I could be getting dates,

**Speaker 0:** etcetera etcetera. And so they don't have that get out get out of jail free card that you have if you say when it's all fake or it's all film Or it's a skill that you have to learn and improve and Yeah. It can be it can go well. It can't go well. If you accept that that's all true, that kind of fucks you over because you're like, well, I do actually have to leave my house. Yes. Exactly. It puts the ball firmly in your court, court, and not everybody

**Speaker 1:** wants to do that. I mean, we hear a lot about buffers, you know, the idea of putting up excuses so as not to face potential rejection. And it's far easier to sit at home and Yeah. Slag somebody off than it is to go out and talk to a girl who may tell you to fuck off. Well, let's wrap it up there, not with a condom, but with the theme of raw dog in it Yes. Of, I would say for 2019

**Speaker 0:** as we go into Barbruno, put up or shut up. As in, look, you need skin in the game. This is a good metaphor actually for skin not as in the condom brand, but raw dog in it. If you wanna, I suppose, send a lot of mail criticizing, critiquing others, you you damn well need to show yourself. You need to be doing it yourself. You need to Yeah. Have experience in doing it, you know. Otherwise, what's the point of write writing to Roger Federer saying, you know, I think you're you're back there. I would have done it slightly differently if you know what I'm well, come on, mate. Play play Roger.

**Speaker 1:** Let you know? Exactly. It's much easier. It's always much easier to sit and criticize than it is to do the thing yourself.

**Speaker 0:** My dad used to say proof not promises. So continuing on from my podcast of saying just fuck it, this year we're saying just raw dog it. If you come up to Troy and I, I will ask you, are you raw dogging it sunshine? And I'm nagging you, I'm nagging Troy, we're nagging each other, we're nagging ourselves as encouragement. I hope you've had a good 2018. Now is really not the time I would say to reflect on it and get all sad. Really, it's a great time to you know, clean slate, get a piece of paper, where do you want to go, what do you want to do, what's your dream kind of girl, what do you want to achieve and this is not just hypothetical making promises bullshit. This is you're about to prove it. Alright. Can prove it yourself, you can prove it to improve it online, you can prove it to another person, but that's why we're calling it war dogging it. I wanted to say a few things first of all, to bar Bruno who have given Troy and I many a many a sausage. Many a sausage. Troy's had many from Bruno. Yes. I've had many a bubble and squeak. Thank you to Troy for the inspiration and the travel companionship and the filth. Thank you to Craig as ever. He's done a lot of teaching for me this year and he kicked off the year with the hustle on documentary to Lucas, El Patron. You're you're getting to know Lucas. I am. Absolutely. A legend of a man if you're listening. Lucas, gracias. To Tim, Captain Tim as ever. If you're listening to Ian, to Alex, mister a, Alex Forest, a bastion of daygame, a pillar of strength. Great great channel. Great YouTube channel. Tom h, who played guitar with me, another legend, he's in South America right now. Nas, who I went to Russia with a few times, Baxter, to Mystery, the dirty bastards, to JT who came with us to Moscow and to Petersburg, to Tony Hussle who I went to Munich with, one of the best players of the year, not with Tony Hussle, but opened a girl base on Not what I heard. Well, anyhow, it's a girl. Mister l in Moscow will be seeing more of you. Hank Moody, you're probably listening in America will be seeing more of you come springtime. To Nev and Leon, if you're listening, those are the guys that helped me with and to many more people if you've been on the podcast if you've supported, myself or Troy in in any way. Thank you for a lovely 2018 as we go in and, grab a sausage a bit of bubble and squeak if you can squeeze it in. That's what she said. Absolutely. Cup of tea. And we'll finish the year in bar Bruno. And I shall speak to you in 2019. Thank you, Troy. Thank you very much. Pleasure.