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# Episode 26 Interview With The Real Hank Moody

**Speaker 0:** Tom Torero podcast 26 coming in your ears. As an old radio jingle used to say, this And this might be coming in your ears from iTunes if you downloaded it. All my podcasts are now available to download from iTunes. Thanks to a wonderful man called Brent, who helped me sort that out. So cheers, Brent. And, yeah, download at your will. Listen to me at the gym when you're hoovering, whatever it is you do in the privacy of your own home. Don't really want to know. But enjoy and thanks Brent again. Some housekeeping announcements before we launch into today's podcast, which is a Skype interview that's coming up with The Real Hank Reading. First of all, tour dates for my round the world crazy below the belt thing that I'm doing from mid July to mid August. I've managed to sort out the venues with help from local daygamers and daygame communities. So cheers guys for helping me sort these venues out. All this information is on the front page of my website. So if you go to tomtorero.com, you'll see the following information. If you wanna come to one of my free talks, then just email me with the subject being your name and the city. Lots guys are emailing me and forgetting to say where they wanna come, where they want a free seat. So it's tomtomterrero.com to get a free seat. On the July 11, I'm in London, in College London, in the King's Building on the Strand from 06:00 till 08:00 in the evening, that's the July 11. July 16, I'm in New York City, Ripley Greer studios from 06:00 till 08:00. July 21 in LA, I'm at the Tower Comedy Studio in West Hollywood, I think that is from seven to 9PM. July 25, I'm in Sydney, the Star Bar, which I think is in the CBD, 5PM till 7PM. July 28, I'm in Auckland, New Zealand downstairs at Atticus Bar, seven to 9PM. And then August 11, I'm in Cape Town, upstairs at the Dubliner from seven till 9PM. So to book a seat, like I said, it's tom@tomtorero.com. I'll reserve you a seat and send you more detailed information with maps, etcetera. If you want your wings to come, get them to email me separately, so I've just got them on record. That's the tour dates. The link for this podcast and all the other podcasts being on iTunes is below if you're watching this on YouTube. Now let's dive into today's slightly unusual podcast and that it's a Skype interview. Forgive the slightly dodgy quality, but I'm happy with it. It's good enough for a podcast with the real Hank Moody. No. Not David Duchovny, but this guy could be David Duchovny in the life that he leads. He's a fantastic guy, a cool guy. He's a guy in his late forties that I've daygamed with, winged with, traveled with last year and this year. He was married for many years. He'll tell you about that. He'll tell you about being newly single, daygaming in your forties, being this traveling player, this seducer, finding some kind of balance, what he goes for, the adventures that he's been on. It's just a fascinating insight. So if you're an older guy like me, 30 or even 40, if you've been married like me, or you've been in a long long term relationship and you've come out of that, if you're thinking, can you be a player past your mid twenties? Do you need to settle down? Do you need to conform? Well, this podcast is for you. So cheers to mister Moody as we call him for doing this. Let's jump straight into the interview. Enjoy. Alright. On the line from somewhere in Europe, somewhere in Central Europe, we've got the one, the only, mister Moody. Alright, mister Moody. Hey Tom, how are you? Nice. Good to hear you, and cheers for agreeing to come on Skype and spill the beans about your lifestyle.

**Speaker 1:** My pleasure.

**Speaker 0:** We've both said that we need to speak slow and low. That's nice sticking point still, and we were doing that together in where were we gaming? In Poland. We were out in Poland. Yeah. In Poland. And now you're on a summer European tour.

**Speaker 1:** Yes. So three three or four months just traveling around, taking in the sights, and really trying to to perfect my daygame skills.

**Speaker 0:** What a life. So let's kick off by telling the place. I was eating too much ice cream unfortunately. Bring it on. You just a little bird told me you've been in Italy.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. Yeah. That was beautiful. Not for daygame though, just for a beautiful holiday. Yeah. Did you get on one of those mopeds? Yeah, we did. It's like taking your life in your own hands, so but fortunately, I actually have a it's a Vespa and I've got one in The States that I drive around on, so I was a little skilled at driving it, but boy,

**Speaker 0:** it really Did you feel like you were in a movie?

**Speaker 1:** Yeah, like Roman Holiday, except it was in color.

**Speaker 0:** And you were speaking very slowly and very low. Yeah, exactly. So let's tell the guys about you a little bit. Mister Moody is American obviously. You were married for quite a long time. Yeah, nineteen years. Nineteen bloody years. Yeah, long time. And can we say your age bracket? Yeah, I'm in my late forties, very late forties. Your late forties, so Yeah. I wanted to talk to you on this podcast, a) to talk about now being single and being the new bachelor, the man about the town doing daygame, and daygaming as an older guy. So there's a lot to talk about here. There's a lot of topics, stuff that we've chatted about over beers, but you are more qualified to talk about this. I was only married for two and a half years. You were married for nineteen years.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah, nineteen years. It was actually, it was quite a good marriage too. It was one of those things where we met in our twenties and I came to this theory that, you know, the person that you you kind of meet and you grow within your twenties is not necessarily the person that you're gonna wanna be with for the rest of your life. Yeah. I mean, I think I think it's very rare that people do that, and I think even the percentage that do it, you know, what percentage really do it because they feel they have to stay together versus they want to stay together. Yeah.

**Speaker 0:** Especially when there's kids involved, but you don't have kids. Yeah, we don't have kids,

**Speaker 1:** and we fortunately didn't really have financial issues that really required us to stay together. We actually looked at ourselves one day and we were like, you know, we're really best, we became roommates. Yeah. Best friends, but there was attraction in romance after a certain point. We said, why don't we split don't we just everything and go our own ways? And we remain best friends and she actually knows exactly what I'm doing with daygame. I love it. I kind of help her with her dating life too. So it's an interesting relationship,

**Speaker 0:** I would say. It's very good that it's amicable because for you now, it's not toxic, is that you don't have this big anti woman, let's go and get revenge. You know, like a lot of, you could say the pickup community, guys that have come out of divorces, they're angry men. No, none whatsoever. It's

**Speaker 1:** yeah, have a hard time even understanding that but I didn't come from that place, so fortunately.

**Speaker 0:** And how long have you been doing daygame now or dating?

**Speaker 1:** So it's been a couple of years. And really I started, it's interesting, I started right after my marriage, I got into a relationship, kind of a long term relationship with another woman that I had known when I was married and I really had womanitis with her Yep. And super needy, I mean it was just, I look back at it now and it was just debilitating and I had been out of the dating market for twenty years, twenty plus years and you're coming back into it and you're thinking, this is the one, this is really the one. Yeah. And it just destroyed me. I was just it just drove me crazy and I remember the turning point was and I would get very jealous. One day she was just talking to a guy at a bar and I just I thought, okay, this is it. This really it. And I kind of just in a fit of anger said, that's it, I'm going go out and find somebody else if you can find somebody else. And then I realized, I don't know how to do this. It was this revelation, it's like I don't know how to go out and find somebody else. I've been out of the market for so long and after the relationship ended, I said I've got to figure this out because I'm not going to do online dating. I refuse to do that, I don't want to go to bars. I'm too old I feel to go to bars. Daygame just seemed like such a beautiful natural way of meeting people. You know, not just girls to date, just your skills in general, so.

**Speaker 0:** When you decide to do something, this is something great about your personality, when you decide to do something, you jump all in and you treat it like a skill set that can be learned, yeah? Is that fair to say? Yeah, a 100%, yeah. So you are now going all in a 100%, certainly for the summer. You were travelling with me doing daygame. You've been to other continents, and now you're travelling all over Europe, just perfecting the daygame skill set. Yeah, exactly. It is something I found,

**Speaker 1:** because I think I took a boot camp with you almost two years ago, a couple of year and a half ago and then I tried to go back on my own and do it, but I was also doing, I was also working at the time and I just realized I couldn't sort of get to the tipping point without immersion. Yeah. It's like anything, think, you know, school, you don't dabble in school, you go on and mull in for a semester to learn a subject and I think you sort of need that

**Speaker 0:** Immersion and

**Speaker 1:** yeah. Momentum and immersion, exactly.

**Speaker 0:** I should point out, because guys will be thinking this straight away, what success is he having? Know, is Mr. Moody living the dream? Well from what I've seen, for a man in his mid to late forties, you're dating girls in there, well everything from early twenties to late twenties, early thirties. Mhmm. You've achieved some, without bragging, do you want to just give an overview of Well I've done, I've

**Speaker 1:** kind of tracked, obviously I tracked my stats. Think the only way you can learn is really to keep track of yourself. And I think I've done about 1,200 sets or so in the last year and a half. And I would say that that thousand mark rule is really accurate for me. Think once I hit the thousand mark, the thousand sets, which I did with you actually in Warsaw, I think that was the tipping point for me. I started realizing that I wasn't thinking about what did I need to do, what I needed to say, and the results just came much more naturally. But

**Speaker 0:** You've had success though, yeah? I mean, I saw it with my own eyes but where you are now, you've had success. You've had success in The States?

**Speaker 1:** I've had success in The States, yeah. In fact, every girl I've dated there and I've dated, you know, in the last year twenty, twenty plus girls and every single one has been from daygame. Yeah. Not pure daygame, some of them sort of have been long. I would call it sort of long game where I've met them in the gym or I've met them walking my dog or I've met them through friends, but I would say that the daygame skill has been the thing that's allowed me to pull the trigger.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah, because even just getting the number and then going on the date, the same principles still apply after that. Right. And we should point out you don't live in one of the bigger American cities. You don't live in LA or New York, and so you've had to adapt your daygame.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah, and that's the problem. I mean, I live in a city which I I'd actually been away from the city for a while and I've moved back and it's where I want to station my base, but for daygame, there are really no pedestrian. You don't have the high pedestrian counts like you would in New York or certainly And not in I've had to go to places and I would say that it's almost impossible to get good at this if you can only do a few sets a day. You just don't have enough consistency. It would be like trying to learn to play basketball and shoot the ball and only be able to shoot one every hour, come back every hour and shoot one. It just doesn't work. You've become very strategic even in that city where you live, in using things like grocery stores, gyms,

**Speaker 0:** hunting out high intensity areas. You've still made it work to some degree, but that's why you went on your tour, wasn't it? To get more volume?

**Speaker 1:** Yeah, in fact I don't, I would say I'm not practicing when I'm home. I'm actually not in practice mode. I'm in walking around and if I see the girl that I really want, I go after them and it usually goes good, but it's not a place where you can practice. But no, after I spend say a month in Europe and I've done two hundred-three 100 sets, I'm really in the mode. I can come home and I still have the momentum and I'm able to go to the cold foods or I'm able to go to H and M or even the shopping mall.

**Speaker 0:** It was very fun in Poland when we were trying to recreate situations that you would encounter in your home city. We literally found grocery stores that kind of had the same layout, and that was it. It was like It was good. Good practice. Yeah. Coffee shops, grocery stores. I mean in America, if you don't live in New York, you're gonna have to go to coffee shops, grocery stores and shopping malls. That's about it. But you you faced you slayed the dragon of the grocery store. And the last time I saw you, you were doing fine in all these weird situational environments that guys really hate. Yeah. Because guys think of daygame as this one trick pony where you jump in front of a girl, you know? But no, you've got it well rounded. I like it. Anyway, let's jump into the main topic which is this eternal question, and you are extremely qualified to answer this question. Right? Especially for the younger guys listening, maybe guys that haven't been married or they're thinking about long term relationships versus being this man about the town, being this Hugh Grant kind of character, being this eligible bachelor forever. And it's often stereotyped into one or the other, you know, either you're just this under the thumb miserable married guy, or you're this wild player. Perhaps that's slightly naive for guys that haven't experienced marriage. And I've said many times that men have got this dilemma of wanting sex, obviously this huge biological drive to be polygamous. But of course we have this drive for affection, for love. Love is an amazing wonderful thing beyond the biochemistry. So do you feel this dilemma constantly of thinking am I going to be free and single forever, or am I am I looking for another one? I And what's I've your

**Speaker 1:** actually kind of gone through a stage. I've realized I've gone through a stage, I think right after my marriage, because I had sort of been with someone for so many years. I thought that was the way forward. And as I mentioned, I got into this relationship with this other woman and it was, you know, need to be in a relationship. In fact, a friend of mine told me he didn't see me as a player kind of guy, he goes, No, you're a relationship guy. Yep. But really in the last year, I kind of flipped the other way and I realized that I'm actually happier when I don't have what I would call the daily responsibility for somebody else's happiness. Yeah. Which you sort of feel like when you're in a relationship and my relationships have always been where they've moved in with me And maybe that's a bit of the problem, but you know, all of a sudden, you're like, oh, you know, you're responsible for this person every day and no, I think

**Speaker 0:** So the cure for I always say a cure for the oneitis feeling, like when you went straight into that relationship after your marriage, is just having options, spinning plates, getting leads, which is certainly what you do now. Yeah. You feel very abundant because you do have an abundance of leads.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. And it's not just having the abundance, but it's knowing. I think for me, it's knowing that I have the ability to do it. Yeah. And that was the problem with this girl, is I realized, oh my God, you know, if I if she goes away, I don't know how to get another girl. Gonna be back with all these other guys trying to online date and it's not a place I wanted to be. And it's interesting now that I know that I can just go out and get another date in an afternoon. Yeah. It changes your mentality that even if you are with one woman, you don't feel as needy because you know you can go out and do it. Yeah. And it's not necessarily having a stable of girls that you can call, but it's knowing you have the ability to do it. Yeah. That's critical I think. Okay, let's before we mythologize

**Speaker 0:** the single life, which is what I often do, and I love to do because I am like you, nomadic at the moment and pretty much a free spirit, but marriage gets a hard time from the community. But what you didn't have kids, but there's stability in marriage isn't there? There's something nice about, obviously about deep connection, familiarity, stable emotions. I mean what were the upsides of the of that of a long commitment?

**Speaker 1:** Oh no, it's all those things that you talked about. I mean our marriage was very good from our business career. We both helped each other out. I think we didn't have to worry. We had each other's back constantly. Yep. So, you're working as a team. Yep. You know, you had somebody to come home to after a hard day or you had if needed to have something and you couldn't be two places at once, you've got another person that's sort of on your team. So, that's the benefit of it and you always have that, you have that companionship. Sort of the built in, your built in best friend that's there, and then you have that. So there's something very comforting about that. Yeah.

**Speaker 0:** Did you notice that feeling not wearing off, but becoming heavy, because a lot of guys panic when they feel that domestication, you know? Not so

**Speaker 1:** much. What did wear off is sort of the romance and the passion. Of I think after a while it becomes more like, at least in my situation, it was more like we became roommates and brother and sister and best friends. Yeah. But you sort of lose the, I think the romance and passion which, you don't I didn't notice it as much because I was actually, as you know, I had a pretty successful career I was working and traveling around the world building this business. So I had something to keep my mind occupied. Once that went away, once I sold that, all of a sudden I realized there's something missing in my life. Yeah. Which is sort of the, you know, that spark and that chemistry, so.

**Speaker 0:** I read, these are just two flippant quotes about marriage, but they'll make you laugh. Somebody wrote, Marriage is the number one cause of divorce. Somebody sent me this second one I really like. It's a bit harsh. It says, Marriage is the Guantanamo Bay of friend zoning.

**Speaker 1:** Exactly.

**Speaker 0:** Which a lot of guys struggle to get out of, and of course I can have sympathy with a guy who where it ends, where the shit hits the fan, there's kids, there's money issues, and I can understand why guys get really bitter and then get into manosphere kind of things, but luckily you don't have that. You've come out with a very good energy, a very stable past, and your sticking points really aren't to do with being anti female or anti marriage, are they? They're, you're just interested in perfecting the craft of daygame?

**Speaker 1:** Perfecting the craft and it's not just a daygame skill, that's one skill in general that I felt that I'd never, I tell people like this when I was, when I think back to a teenager, there were certain things I wanted to do. I said I always wanted to learn how to fly a plane. I always wanted to learn how to, you know, jump out of a plane. There were a thing, but now I look back and I say that none of these things, the only one thing that's held constant, I think since I was a teenager, was to be good with women and people in general. That was the one skill that I sort of still wanted. You know, but As I came in my forties and I said, Okay, I'm just gonna this is something I need to master before trying something else. It's really become a

**Speaker 0:** Are still finding I mean, I still have this issue. Just like you could say the Hank Moody personality in the show, because guys always think of californication as the sex and the strippers and the fun. They forget that he's still constantly after his wife. And he's still pretty depressive about it. Not to say that I'm still after one girl, or certainly not my ex wife, but I still feel that tug, because I think it's a biological urge and I have to be very careful of it when I'm even on a first date or a second date or I'm going into a longer relationship. I have to think Tom, where is this going? Am I telling the girl the right thing? There's that constant dilemma of you know sex for fun, but then having too much sex which can make you feel a little bit of a hollow man. I know I'm painting it in extremes, but I have it to a degree when I'm doing pickup. I've always had it. Abundance makes it go away, or I forget about it slightly, but do you know what I mean? There's this there's a biological urge.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah, I think for me, I've gotten to the point now where I'm much more interested in connection. So, you know, I try to find a girl I connect with. I mean, that's the whole point. And sex is a natural sort of, it comes out of that as a byproduct, not a byproduct, but it's a direct result of the connection. Yep. So for me, I'm not looking to go out and just find a girl for sex, I'm looking for connection and then sex is part of that and it's a natural part of that. Yep. And when there's no more connection or you feel that you've gotten everything out of the relationship that you can and you feel like it's stagnated, it's time to move on. And I think I was telling you earlier, my I think it's for me in the last couple of years, that's been anywhere from one month to three to four months. Yeah.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah, it involves giving them the talk and not suggesting that you know, you're going to get married to them and I've talked about all this before. Being a little bit more upfront, putting your cards on the table, but what we share is an enjoyment of an experience with being with a girl, not just asexia. Like I go on trips with girls, or do activities with girls, or just have memories in cities with girls,

**Speaker 1:** and you enjoy that too. That's the best part. The most memorable part of any of these sort of vacations I would go on to, any of these distant lands to practice daygame has been when I've connected with someone and then I get into a bit of a relationship. It's actually a bit of a problem for me because I end up wanting to go there to practice and then after a couple of weeks I end up finding a girl that I really enjoy spending time with. And it completely takes a bit of the drive and the time away from the day game. But you know, that's life. That's what you want to do, and that's what I do.

**Speaker 0:** It's keeping an eye on when that connection either ends, or B, you can feel that you're it's getting quite serious, or the girl thinks it's serious, so I mean we share the same views on when to call it a day and how to call it a day and yeah, that's what a lot of guts struggle with I think, because I've met a lot of daygamers who do daygame for a couple of months, get a girlfriend, and then immediately jump back into the oneitis, like deep connection, but the needy connection rather than the healthy connection, you know what I mean? Mhmm. So that's why I recommend guys like to do it. Play the field, have fun, go and do what you want, and rather than jumping from one girl to another girl to another girl, which is a very common pattern I think. Another thing I wanted to ask you about was this seeming contradiction in travelling a lot, and having lots of fun, versus having the base that you have. I know that you have a very stable base in the city that you're in with very stable friends, big big roots because that's where you come from, yet you're traveling the world and doing crazy things. I mean what's the what's the balance?

**Speaker 1:** Yeah, mean, for me, I would not be able to just have a completely nomadic life. Just think that you need to I think we were gonna talk about this a bit later too. It's the dilemma of how do you as my friend put it, loneliness is the other side of freedom. Yeah, that's fantastic. Yeah. Yeah, and it's so true. You're totally free, there are times, and he tells me because he was his perpetual bachelor, that there many times he finds himself alone in his apartment with nobody there, you know, just basically talking to himself, not really, but he said he doesn't want to give that up for the fact that he doesn't want to be tied down. So for me, it's about having friends and he does the same thing. He just has loads and loads of friends. Girlfriends and boyfriends, the girlfriends are basically platonic friends, but it's just surrounding yourself with friends. This is Mr G,

**Speaker 0:** Mr. G. Mr.

**Speaker 1:** G is the same kind of age as you? He's a few years older, yeah. And he's been a bachelor pretty much his entire life. Yeah. Always looking for the one, but never finding her. But he has a lot of friends and he's lived in the same city his whole life, so you can imagine how many friends he's built up over the years and I think that's the key to happiness, having friends.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. Having connection with any human being, love with any human being. People forget when they talk about this myth of the lonely old man, which is something you hear females say more than males actually, and it's not saying that there's more lonely men in marriages than single men. Al Pacino talks about this. I found out today Al Pacino is a long term hardcore bachelor, a bit like Hugh Grant. Randomly, interestingly, I found out also that Leonardo da Vinci, Beethoven, and Isaac Newton were all perpetual bachelors. And geniuses. Anyway, let's not get totally anti marriage, but you're right that if you're just nomadic and you're completely a free spirit, who's just this nomadic daygamer, I found it can leave you without direction. You miss stability, and so rather than being this lonely old man that people talk about because you're not married, you're saying that the cure for that is a base of friends, yeah, and even a base of geography.

**Speaker 1:** Exactly, geography base and a friend base and one thing, it's interesting, the lonely old man comment because I've seen this where I've had older friends that have been in marriages and their entire life was their wife and either they get divorced or she died and they've got nothing. They turn around and they haven't got the connections of friends. Their entire friend was their partner and to me that's a lot more scary than actually having built a solid base of friends and then bring a girlfriend in to enhance your life, not to make your life. Yeah. Another bachelor told me that. He goes, He only wants to have a girl that's gonna enhance his life. He doesn't want a girl to actually have to

**Speaker 0:** basically make his life. Of course, one of the golden rules of game. Guild should never be the number one. You're quite right. That brings us on to keeping gaming. I mean everything is a game obviously. I love how when guys get married they think the game is finished. They think it's like a harbour from the sexual marketplace, but as you know, I'm sure as I know, in a marriage you still the same principles still apply. But you gaming now as a single guy, chasing tail, doing daygame, 40 plus, what are the practicalities of being a bachelor now of, I mean, your health, your fashion, your energy, etc?

**Speaker 1:** I think it makes you a better person. I mean, I find myself when I was married, I wasn't going to the gym. I wasn't really like taking care of my health that much. I was just kind of in this, we were drinking wine every single night. I think you get into this sort of complacency and I can tell you I'm in a better shape than I've ever been in my entire life. I'm eating healthier, I'm focused, I do yoga. Yep. I enhanced my education. Other thing that we did, again, was a very comfortable relationship of literally we watch TV every single night and drink wine and fall asleep around 10:00. I wasn't really expanding my mind, I would say, outside of work and my health certainly wasn't getting any better. I think the beauty of daygame is that because you want to put your best self forward, you end up worrying about your health and how you look in the gym. So I go to the gym five days a week. Yeah, you are hardcore

**Speaker 0:** in Poland, You're in great That's great. Yeah, it's I mean your fashion is spot on. It's very tailored, but flashy. It's We should point that out, that when guys hear of a bachelor in their forties they think, oh okay, this is a guy splashing his cash. It's kind of like a stripper game you know. Mean girls You, don't know what you do. Girls don't know anything about you. You don't, you're not wearing an Armani suit to daygame. The results that you got from when I saw you, I mean I've seen you in three different countries now. This is from girls being attracted to you for your charisma, your spiel on the street. And

**Speaker 1:** that was the thing, went back and looked at some of the tapes from my first boot camp and I was cringing because I was so quick to tell them what I did. And I was telling them about me and how successful I've been and all this and then I realized I watched some videos from you and some of the other guys and sometimes you never really say what you do. Yeah. And it's beautiful, like the attraction is in the moment and I've kinda gotten the other way and I don't they don't really know very much about me. I tell them a little bit because you've got to ground it, but it's Yeah. You know, they would have no idea how successful I've been and I think that's important because you don't want somebody that likes you for your success, I think. No, it's a

**Speaker 0:** temptation, which I'm sure a lot of established men fall into, but you've proven that, I mean, after you sleep with them or after you date them, then if they find out about aspects of your life, it's kind of it's okay. That's fine. You've proven the point. Yes, so

**Speaker 1:** this link But the dressing, the dress too, I mean, like go back to the dress, I also didn't really care what I wore so much in the marriage, because again, you get complacent. But you know, my sort of signature thing is I wear polo shirts, just sort of like golf polo shirts. But one thing I do do is actually I have them tailored. If anybody's worn or seen a polo shirt, they still have this old fashioned flap that hangs down halfway down your butt, and it just looks so sloppy. People are thinking of like, Caddyshack. People are thinking of Caddyshack. Know, like a big American golfer, awful. And it used to be because you tucked the shirt in. Well, nobody tucks your shirt in anymore, but the shirt hasn't changed. So I always, simple things, you bring it to a tailor, you have them basically cut the tail off, you actually have them take it in, so it actually shows you physique and they look fantastic. And it's a casual

**Speaker 0:** but very tailored look and it doesn't cost very much to do that. What about tips on your energy? Because guys were asking me this on the last podcast about daygaming for older guys. I've you manage your energy very well. Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** I think I think the key for me is I actually stopped drinking. This is gonna sound counterintuitive, but I stopped like two months ago drinking caffeine and I've got more energy now throughout the day because I noticed when I was drinking that, can definitely put my finger on that. Things like working out in the morning, I think makes a big difference. Yeah. Getting rest, going to sleep

**Speaker 0:** You weren't doing these mammoth like eight hour day game sessions, you were very sniper ish.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah, I can't do more than four hours. I completely lose maybe five tops, but it's just mentally and physically just too wearing, especially if it's hot out. Yeah. We had some hot days and you're just walking around and I think your results actually get worse. It's one of those things where you do peak after you do a few sets, but then the curve goes back down again. You just have to stop after a while. Yeah, concentrated effort. And are you still tracking your pedometer?

**Speaker 0:** Yeah,

**Speaker 1:** we do a typical, I think a typical four hour day, what do we do? Like 20,000 steps? Yeah. It's amazing, it's like 10 miles. So what would that be, like 15 kilometers a day walking. So it's the greatest exercise you can do too.

**Speaker 0:** Exercise and then sexercise. Exactly. How many months have you been on your day game mission for now, on the road?

**Speaker 1:** This is going into the third month. Jeez.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. I was knackered after Poland, so

**Speaker 1:** But I think you have to take the breaks, that's why the Rome trip, the side trip, I'm gonna do a side trip to Germany. Yeah. Every two or three weeks, you just do a side trip to kind of like recharge.

**Speaker 0:** And enjoying these moments with girls, like we said. Yeah. Because it's I think it's like a halfway house. I once did a talk on the two ends of the spectrum, you know, either the super bad boy player or the married chump. The bad kind of marriage. But there is this, maybe it's not halfway, but you know what I mean. You could be a super player, or you can be a I call it like a hustler with heart, the nice bad boy, where you do have sex, you do chase girls, but like you said, then you bring those girls into your life. They know what you do. Go on these little holidays, adventures, and then you can have meals with them. Think because a lot of the guys see this in black and white like, I must never have a meal with a girl. I must never have a conversation with a girl. I hope that for younger guys, this serves as a light. If there's a dark tunnel of like, just pick up ahead,

**Speaker 1:** just sex ahead, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. No, I think it has to be part of your life. For me, it's part of my life. It's like anything, you just can't see it purely for sex only. I mean, don't see it that way. It's more to improve your skills and just being a better person and making Yeah. I come with it from a place of, you know, you wanna make you wanna leave them better than you found them. And it just makes you feel it makes them feel good. Even if even if you know, if that has to do with being in set and they're not interested because they have a boyfriend or for whatever reason, you still made their day. That's great. Yeah. And if you do have a connection with them and you have a good time with them as long as they, you know, you're not lying to them about what you're doing, Yeah. They enjoy it too. I mean, they enjoy they enjoy everything that we enjoy.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. The vibe is the vibe is very beautiful if you can reach that state. I mean, I understand why guys, and I recommend that guys go through a phase where it's like all in, just for sex, go sex crazy, get reference experiences, but every single pickup guy I know who does this properly, you come out the other end thinking, you know, not believing in Jesus Christ our Lord, but you certainly want to be a better person for yourself, because it improves your mental health and your physical health and your body, but then you notice that that improves your game.

**Speaker 1:** I totally understand. Without

**Speaker 0:** that sounding too woolly, but that is, there is a balance. But a man, I mean, you're much more qualified in your forties because you've you've experienced the whole spectrum, haven't you? Yeah. Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** And that was something I'd I'd I'd I guess one of the things I battle with when I am doing day games, sometimes it does feel a little bit like, what am I doing? This this feels too fake. And I think the way to get around that is to is to go in with the the mindset that you are gonna make their day. Because if you go into it that way, then it's not just me trying to get something out of them. Yeah.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. Practical tip, I just remember this from our time in Poland. We said that older guys, guys 35 plus probably, might want to do less teasing and more of the moody kind of stuff, because a man, with your success or your life experience,

**Speaker 1:** you kind of have a right to stand there and qualify the girls. You know what I mean? Mhmm. Exactly. That's what we I I just think you have to be congruent with who you are and Yeah. You know, if you're if you're an older successful person, I think you wanna you don't wanna dress like a like somebody that would probably dress in their twenties, you know, may be perfectly appropriate for them in their twenties, but I think you wanna look a little bit more like you're a successful person, age appropriate and yeah, you're not gonna sit there and be a

**Speaker 0:** try to be somebody that you're not. One of the things we tried in Poland, I remember, was this Bond ish kind of approach. What would Bond say rather than what would Jim Carey say, you know what I mean? Exactly,

**Speaker 1:** exactly, completely different. Yeah, I'm not saying that you have to be the flashy provider at all, but it's more, as you said, it's age appropriate. And there are, you know, I think that's the one thing too about even going after girls that are age appropriate. And I know there's a lot of different views in the community from most people. It seems like a lot of people wanna be going for, you know, obviously, you're in your twenties and thirties, you're gonna be going for girls in your twenties. But at my age, quite frankly, I'm more attracted to girls that are older. I always say, you know, beauty in your twenties is very common. Beauty in your thirties and forties is rare, increasingly rare the older you get. And to me, if I find, again, I'm in my late forties, if I find a girl in forties that's absolutely striking, I am far more interested in her than a girl in her twenties. It's just my preference,

**Speaker 0:** But it just feels right. You know what you're looking for. Not in an avoidance way to approach it, but certainly whenever I play games with you, you've got a very strict criteria. You know what you want, and you know this is interesting. You know what kind of female figure is going to last, because a hot 20 year old girl is hot. She just looks hot for every guy, but when a girl's still maintaining her physique in her thirties and her forties, you kept pointing out girls saying to me like, oh, she's that's gonna last. She's gonna look like that for the next thirty years. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. And then I think you can just not that you're gonna keep them for the next thirty years, but there's something about

**Speaker 1:** when you know what they're going to look like, it's hard to accept something that's not going to be perfect for me. Yeah.

**Speaker 0:** Saying, we don't want to give guys the wrong idea as well that there's a subset of girls, younger girls, who have obviously the older man, 50 Shades of Grey fantasy, who absolutely went for I mean, I'm 35, but they went for what you were doing as well, girls in their early twenties.

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. In fact, I've run into that more often than not. What I found actually that there's there's quite a bit of girls in their twenties. I think when they are about 27, 26 and 27, I ran into quite a few girls that typically they'd ask how old I was and I would say, what do you think? And they generally guess much younger, like 40 or so. And I'll actually, I was debating, do I tell them the real age or I just kind of go with that? And lately, I've just been telling my real age and I've not had one of them No. That sort of said no. In fact, in in two cases, a 27 year old and a 29 year old, they both told me that the most recent boyfriends I had was actually my age. So these girls specifically were hunting out guys that were, you know, 20 older than them.

**Speaker 0:** It's massively over worried. Mean, guys panic about that I always say that the girls that go for it really go for it. Yeah.

**Speaker 1:** And if they're not going go for it, they're going let you know right away. It's beautiful because they'll say no, I'm not interested. And if they're interested, you can see a sparkle in their eye and think about it, how often does an older guy approach a younger girl? Not that often. Yeah, in a calibrated,

**Speaker 0:** you know good way. Nice Mr. Moody. Well, I think we've covered the points we wanted to cover. We could do that again in a lot more depth, but we'll talk again at some point, because our paths are gonna cross I know in London and maybe in The States, so we can record some more. Yeah. Sounds good. Alright mate, I appreciate that. Cheers. Thanks a lot. Alright. Cheers. Bye.