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# Episode 30 Small Town Daygame

**Speaker 0:** Tom Torero podcast number 30. Pull up a chair, dear listeners, and join us on a cozy evening from Bath. It's a very English evening. I'm sitting here with an Englishman who I shall introduce in a minute. He is smoking an indoor electric cigarette. We are sipping coffee, nibbling on chocolate. We've just eaten some fine duck in red wine sauce. That's right, gentlemen. We are living the life of bachelors. I should introduce this guest. This is Tim. Alright, Tim? Hi. When did I meet you, Tim? A few years back? It was January

**Speaker 1:** 2014.

**Speaker 0:** Oh, not that long ago. You should know. '13. Before, was gonna say. Yeah. 2013 in London, and you did a a residential. Yeah. You lived with John and I, I think, for a week. That's right. Yes. That's when I met you in London, and I stayed in touch with you. And now we're friends. I don't get to see you that often because I'm away and you're always in Bath. Yeah. Cozy Bath, which is kind of the topic of this podcast. We should come back to cozy bath. Bath, if you don't know, if you're abroad, you should know about Bath, if you've heard of Jane Austen. Or is it the crescent, the royal crescent him? Yeah. Very picturesque, very touristy. Obviously, the Roman Bath. Fair, the film. Vanity Fair, lots of films have been set here, I'm sure. The Pickwick Papers, if you know Charles Dickens. It's just a very quintessential English city. This is a city. I keep calling it a town because it feels like a town. It's tiny geographically. It's it's a city because it's got a cathedral. Yeah. That's our English definition of a city. It's got a uni. It's probably got a couple of unis, isn't it? It's got two. Yeah. It's got Bath Spa and Bath University. It's living the dream. It's almost like New York City. You know, basically, it's the same in New York City just with a lot of pensioner tourists and flowers and tea. But it's very nice. It almost feels wintry. We're recording this in the evening. It's Sunday. It's very chilled. We did a bit of digging today in Bath City Center as much as you can do, that being the topic of today's podcast. It's a nice place to come if you want relaxation, rivers, pubs, tea, scones. But here's the question for today's podcast. Is a city or a town the size of Bath any good for daygamers? Is it possible to do daygame? Can you survive here doing daygame? Can you get laid here doing daygame? What should you do if you live in a small town or a small city? Because I'm always talking about London and New York and daygame evolved in New York and London, as I've always said in many podcasts for good reason. Population, anonymity, volume of approaching. You've got all these key factors, transients, tourists, social isolation, which is horrible if you're if you don't have much game, but if you're a daygamer, you can use all these factors. And I've said many times that if you want a daygame abroad, look for cities that are with more than 1,000,000 people, look for cities that have a big university population, and daygame works well. But I'm from Cardiff and Tim is, are you from Bath, Tim? No. Just here since university. Alright. But you stayed on? Yeah. You live here now and you've been daygaming in Bath. That means for how many years? Five years. Jesus. Five years here. We walked around the daygame area of Bath today and it took us about fifteen minutes. Yeah. Ten, fifteen minutes. So as we were walking around trying to do daygame, find sets, try not to find the same girl twice, we started talking about this podcast. And it ties into a very good question. The question that guys ask about, you know, what happens if they live in Scranton? Have you ever heard of Scranton in Pennsylvania? Have you ever seen The Office, The British Office? I've seen the British one. Yeah. Which is what? Reading? Slough. Okay. Imagine you live in Slough. Yeah. I my placement in Slough, actually. Oh my god. Is it like The Office portrays?

**Speaker 1:** Well, The Office is just set in The Office, basically, so you don't see much of a town itself. No. You see the roundabout at the beginning. I think it was vote voted Britain's most unhappy

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. Town. It could well be. Yes. Can you imagine daygaming in Slough?

**Speaker 1:** It's possible.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. It would be like a form of imprisonment, I think. A bit like the American version which is set in Scranton in Pennsylvania. I've just looked that up. Scranton has 75,000 people. Bath has 90,000 people. I'll give you some more stats so you can wrap your head around the kind of size. Santa Monica has 92,000 people. Cardiff, where I'm from, which feels quite big compared to Bath for for daygame, that has 325,000. And then you're getting on to cities that I visited for international daygame that feel too small, like Lisbon. Beautiful city, beautiful gills, but tiny. Has 530,000. Riga, beautiful Gills, tiny city, 650,000. Lots of guys dream about Bratislava and Slovakia. You go there, it's tiny. 415,000. So Bath, 90,000. The one saving grace of Bath is that obviously there's a student population here. We looked that up as 10,000 ish students. About 5,000 international students every year and the majority being? Chinese. Chinese, which is very good for you, Timothy, because you you are a fan of Asian girls. You've always dated Asian girls and and done daygame with Asian girls. What nationalities of Asia do you like? Japan, China, Taiwan, Thailand. So from here, you do have some kind of Asian population and a bit of transients. That's right, yeah. Okay, well the golden question, how has daygame been? Has it been possible in five years? Any success and any downfalls?

**Speaker 1:** Some success but fairly limited and quite a few downfalls I would say.

**Speaker 0:** What do you want to start with? The good news or the bad news?

**Speaker 1:** Good news is I think in Bath the quality is relatively high compared to most English cities and because you have a fairly high percentage of students there's quite a high transient so it's not just like all the local local people you see the same time over and over again. There's undergrads,

**Speaker 0:** post grads, summer school students Plus today, we saw some nice English girls actually. We did. Yeah. And a mixture of very random nations. I spoke to an Iranian girl in Primark, h and m. That's Primark. Yeah. Wow. That was classy. That was amazing. Yeah. She was doing a PhD, I think. She was. Yeah. So there you go. It is possible. And last summer, did you hit a jackpot with the summer school student? Yes. That was a Japanese summer language student. Alright. Well, let's give guys hope. Let's say they live in Slough or Scranton. This was possible with a bit of research. Can you can you summarize what happened with this summer school girl?

**Speaker 1:** Well, basically, know where the summer school students accommodation is. So I was kind of lurking out there after doing my shopping at Sainsbury's and I You dirty boss. Yeah. I bumped into a couple of Japanese students who were just leaving to go to do their shopping. What a coincidence. Yes. Amazing. Yes.

**Speaker 0:** Okay. So there were two? There were two. Yes. And

**Speaker 1:** I just glanced at one of them and she smiled back at me. So I went and turned around to the front stop and it was it was pretty easy. They were just like rabbits caught in headlights. And yeah difficult thing was they didn't really speak much English and they didn't have phones which worked in The UK so my only option really was to get them on an instant date Not straight away because I was just going to do their shopping, but I've just arranged to meet them at a pub nearby an hour later.

**Speaker 0:** Hardcore. Alpha, good. Did they turn up? They did, yes.

**Speaker 1:** There were two of them? There were two of them, yes. One spoke better English, so she wasn't my target, the one who spoke worse English was and she helped translate for us during the pub and lots of sort of just using a bit of Google translate showing pictures on my phone. Yeah. Then I arranged to meet them at the same place a few days later and I took them to my house for dinner.

**Speaker 0:** Still both of them? Yes. Still both of them. This is a golden story.

**Speaker 1:** Then they met my housemates, so there's a bit of comfort there. Mhmm. And then set up a third date. She still wanted to bring her friends for that, but I tried to persuade her not to do that, and I think her friends agreed. She was trying to They were talking in Japanese for a bit and then they said yeah just just she'll she'll just come on her own. Do you think the one you you wanted, the one you got eventually knew from the beginning what you were trying to do? Yes I think she did. So again it's that cultural thing of she just wanted the friend for safety and nerves. Yeah I think it's more because she wasn't confident about her English more than anything. Okay

**Speaker 0:** so you got her on her own on the third date? Yes. And then more dinner?

**Speaker 1:** Just went for a walk around the park Victoria Park. Went to a they had a sort of a fair there at that time. Then just sort of went around a few more places in Bath just a bit of sightseeing back to my house.

**Speaker 0:** Easy peasy or shy?

**Speaker 1:** It was fairly easy, quite easy to get physical. Speech was a bit difficult because of a language barrier but Don't need speech. That's right, yes. In fact for me, that's easy because I don't like talking much. So I'm quite happy just not Did she live up to the Japanese stereotype of making strange noises? She did. Yes. Oh, you struck gold. Yes. That is amazing story. Firstly,

**Speaker 0:** because there were two girls and you did most of the seduction with two girls. And it's interesting how, you know, a lot of guys have this image of Asian girls being super easy. Like, think they're imagining, you know, Bangkok or The Philippines. But an Asian girl when she's here, if you've ever tried daygaming an Asian girl in London or, you know, fresh off the boat in New York, they're very nervous. English is often an issue. They're with groups, lack of eye contact. You can't go full on aggressively direct. So it's not the walk in the park that people make it out to be, is it? No. It's not as easy as just going to Bangkok or Thailand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or even as we're to let's speak into like a German girl or an English girl. So okay. You got that to factor in here. So you know it's possible. Mhmm. So that your did your brain suddenly go like, oh, wow. Daygame is possible in Bath? It kinda did. Yes. But fairly

**Speaker 1:** soon after that I had a few setbacks so that kind of of knocked my confidence back a lot. Yeah

**Speaker 0:** and what we were chatting about today is this kind of catch 22 situation in a small town, small city, small town, whatever. You could as a day gamer, you can always blame yourself thinking, oh, you know, I'm weaseling out of this. I should be doing more. But there are legitimate reasons in a small city, small town, which come on to now, the downsides of living here, where maybe the progression that a guy in London or New York sees would be very hard to match here. So first of all, it's it's volume, it's population, which affects how many girls there are that you can stop how many yes girls there are and how many maybe girls there are. So you've been to London. How does it differ between here and London? London, certainly don't feel the spotlight effect so much. You sort of know that you you won't see the same girl again, almost certainly.

**Speaker 1:** I mean, I don't live in London anyway, so I know it's not going to be an issue. But even if I did live there, I'm sure I wouldn't feel anything like so much, the spotlight effect. It's the legitimate spotlight effect here. Some guys feel it in London, which is a kind of a psychological spotlight.

**Speaker 0:** If you don't know what the spotlight is, it's a diagnosable psychological condition where you feel people are watching you because of social pressures. I know in places like Japan, they feel that heavily, you know, the effect of society on top of them. I always think of have you ever seen Under Milk Wood or heard of Under Milk Wood, Dylan Thomas? That's a brilliant radio play by Dylan Thomas. He leads it very well. And it's all about the twitching curtains of a small Welsh town and the and the gossip going on in this tiny tiny sleepy Welsh town. And there's that quote, no matter what you do, someone always knew you would. So in Bath, you haven't got anonymity necessarily. But with that summer school, Japanese school, you you kind of did, but the friend knew.

**Speaker 1:** Yes. And knew they were only going to be there for one month doing a language course, so it didn't really matter what happened.

**Speaker 0:** Okay. But the girls that are here for undergrad or even postgrad,

**Speaker 1:** you said you've seen them again and again or you do see them or you've even opened them again and again in Bath? That's happened a few times, yes. Mhmm. On one occasion, I closed a girl on Facebook and it turns out she had we had three mutual friends who were also girls our daygames approached. So

**Speaker 0:** I never heard from her again. Yeah. Burn in the town. Yeah. And the catch 22 we run about was doing less approaches Yeah. Means your anxiety goes up because you can't find momentum, which means you weasel more, which means you do less approaches round and round and round. And having a bad experience you said has caused some downward Yeah. Like beliefs and stuff. What was oh, yeah. You've had some near misses. Yeah. Do you wanna talk about that? Yeah. The near miss was I got a girl back to my house.

**Speaker 1:** A girl I met in the supermarket, and she came back here.

**Speaker 0:** Just sorry to stop you, but when you stopped in the supermarket, was it fully direct or did you use a bit of situational or was it indirect?

**Speaker 1:** No. I think I just opened her in her home language, Chinese. Yep. She was with her friends shopping

**Speaker 0:** and I think I just did the whole thing indirectly and just took her number. That works as we were talking about in small towns and with Asian girls. Nothing wrong with indirect. Mhmm. So what happened next?

**Speaker 1:** Texted her a few times then eventually we went on a kind of date just to get a Christmas tree for my house actually. Yeah. And she ended up coming back to my house and I noticed she was kind of standing quite close to me all the time but I didn't really pick up on that and I sort of took her into my bedroom to look at some photos. And she sat down next to me, and there was quite quite a long silence. It was quite a lot quite a big tension moment. But I didn't really pull the trigger. I wasn't too sure what to do. I wasn't sure if she knew why I'd sort of stopped her in the first place, and I I was kind of worried she might freak out if I tried to escalate. Everybody's been in that boat, mate. Yeah. And then although I kind of kept in touch with her after that,

**Speaker 0:** I I think she I kind of missed the opportunity. Yeah. The window. Yeah. Because I always say, you know, if a girl's in your house, that's about 60% chance of a lay. And if a girl's in your room Mhmm. Alone, that's what? 19, 95%? Yeah. So yeah. But again, that it's kind of a it's a success in that you prove that again, different nationality, but she came back to the house, came back to your room, but you have had more kind of negative experiences. Have you had some dodgy daygame experiences or people literally watching you complaining,

**Speaker 1:** security, whatever? I've had a guy run up to me on the main on the sort of main tourist street in Bath, Pultmoor Street. He just I was out on my bike once and he just sort of ran after me and started shouted, you on the bike, stop. And I wasn't sure what he was on about, so I stopped. And then he just started shouting at me saying I'd he'd seen me out hassling people. Mhmm. White knight. And you and you spoken to his girlfriend or something? I think I might have done. Yes. I'm not sure earlier in the day or I might have seen her and sort of almost approached and then she'd gone into a house or a car. Yep. And

**Speaker 0:** it's a bit like doing it in a small shopping center. I even feel that in Cardiff. You know they've got like those street security people in high vis vests. They're not police people, but they're just Street marshals. Street marshals. It's ridiculous. I don't know why they're here. But in a small town, if you did it day after day or weekend after weekend, they they do know who you are, don't That's right. Yeah. And you're a recognizable fella, Tim. So you could say that's legitimate spotlight. People are watching you. You can have that thing like the guy running up to you. You you've met the same girls again and again. Have you even approached the same girls or tried to close the same girls? I have several times. Yes. And

**Speaker 1:** in some cases, I've approached girls who've been the girlfriends of people I've known.

**Speaker 0:** We were saying it's like, a good analogy is like types of fishing. Yeah. Because game is kind of like different types of fishing. You can do your nightclub stuff or your your salsa stuff. But in terms of daygame, if you're living in London or New York with 10,000,000 people, 8,000,000 people, whatever, 13,000,000 tourists, it's like deep sea fishing with a massive trawler net. Now that's not a numbers game because the quality of your net and the skill of your sonar, that's your daygame. Going through high volume, smashing through it and seeing what comes out. Whereas here, it's like a small lake, small river, isn't it? There is a bit of seasonality, I suppose. What's the seasonality of Bath transients?

**Speaker 1:** Well, you get the summer students from about July to September. Then you get all the new students arriving, the new postgraduate students in July, August, September will be there for a year. Then the undergraduate students arrive in September.

**Speaker 0:** What's it like at Christmas in the depths of

**Speaker 1:** Dickensian winter? Christmas is not bad because there's a lot of people out shopping and so on, but then as soon as you get past Christmas it's exam time, it's cold and dark, it gets dark at 04:00. Mhmm. That's probably the worst time.

**Speaker 0:** So we talked about, as I've said to other guys and tried myself, adapting daygame to a town or a city like this. So you've already mentioned a supermarket Yeah. Trying indoors. You're a big fan of supermarkets. Yeah. And that that can work, yeah, for a number closing?

**Speaker 1:** It can do. Yes. Especially in the winter when it's kinda dark outside in the evenings. Basically after work the only places places that are well lit are supermarkets.

**Speaker 0:** In America I always say the Whole Foods, you know. Yes, a nightmare. A lot of American towns and cities were driving to these places. Softening the approach slightly so if you've just got the one high street, not doing the the monkey front stop again and again and again on 30 times in a row on Saturday. Yeah. Finding other ways to approach.

**Speaker 1:** That's right. Yeah. I don't I normally do more of a sideways stop. Mhmm. It's it usually works actually. It's not really necessary to do a full front stop. No. That was invented for London, Yeah.

**Speaker 0:** Either situational or even indirect as you said with some of the Asian girls? Mhmm. Classic old game works fine.

**Speaker 1:** I've tried both methods and they both seem to work. So Yeah. Yeah. It's

**Speaker 0:** guys have this thing in their mind, you know, it's like the if if the only tool you've got is a hammer, you see everything as a nail. I suppose you wanna nail things and dig in. But, yeah, it's having the tool kit. And wings, I mean, you how many guys in the last five years have you seen in Bath doing this?

**Speaker 1:** Yeah. So the only guys I've seen doing it in Bath have been ones I knew from a daygame boot camp. Mhmm. And I also had one friend who was dating one of my housemates who after they split up, we used to go out together a few times as well. So if you lived in New York or London, you know, you can find a wing like finding a coffee shop is easy. Yeah. But

**Speaker 0:** you've got that extra pressure here then of solo day game night after night, especially as you said in the winter. You've adapted also by I've seen you doing a lot of opening groups. Yeah. You know, you you can't just wait for these solo girls.

**Speaker 1:** That's right. Yes. I wish wish I could, but I almost never see Asian girls for example on their own. They're nearly always in groups especially when they first moved to the city. Do you find that you have stronger weasels, you know those voices in your head?

**Speaker 0:** Do you find you have like these you wouldn't have them in London but here you have the voices like you said like she might know other girls or

**Speaker 1:** people are watching. Do you feel that extra pressure? For one well for example she might know other girls definitely that stronger here. Mhmm. People are watching that's the same anywhere really. It's always a weasel in London or Taipei or Shanghai. In some ways it's worse in other cities because I feel less comfortable there because I don't know the place so I don't know the culture as well. I'm not sure if, like, a guy might run up and punch me in the face in some places.

**Speaker 0:** Well, I've I've feel that in Russia a lot, and I've felt that in Dubai. Yeah. And so that yeah. Legitimate. What about guys ask about this. And despite on the last last podcast, me and my mate John having a go at kind of old school ecosystem game, which is when guys do things like salsa or they join a pottery class or they go on a art walking tour, because of that activity, it's because they're using it as a hustler to meet girls. But in a small town or a small city or if you're at university, you kind of have to also run ecosystem game. Know what? Do you know what I mean? Have you ever tried that kind of thing in in Bath? I used to. Yes.

**Speaker 1:** It was it was kind of easier when I was just recently graduated from university. As time moves on, it's it sort of becomes harder to stay in that social circle without looking a bit weird. Yeah. Cause I'm not a student anymore. I'm certainly not an international student. The hustle's quite obvious. That's right. Yes. People know what you're doing. That's right. Did you ever find that alright for getting numbers, dates? Did it work at the time? It did work. Yes. Back then I was less I was less kind of game aware. So I didn't take things as far as I could have done looking back. We're in that boat. But it's it's a good

**Speaker 0:** imagine you're talking to yourself. I don't know how old you are, Tim, but imagine you're talking to yourself as a 19, 20, 21 year old student. Yeah. A good bit of advice I always say is you don't don't cold approach on your campus. That's right. You don't need to jump in front of girls and do the the exact daygame model on your campus. If you're if you're in that social situation already, it's a very small pond. You just need to become a big fish. Yeah. So if you're at uni now or what do they call it in America? College? Mhmm. Is that the same thing? I don't know. Join clubs. Join societies. Get in any social situation you can. Organize things. Be the organizer. Be the networker. And the day game, you're gonna need later. Day game's really designed for when you're not in a massive social gathering. You're not at school, you're not in college and you're walking around big cities on your own. That's when daygame is fantastic. So solutions to this problem. Let's say you're living in Scranton or you're living in Lisbon or you're living in Bath. Not that you are living in Bath because I we would have seen you daygamer. You might be living in Bath listening to this. Well, feel free to leave a comment, but I know in Bristol, there's a few guys. I know a guy called Ollie in Bristol. Shout out to Ollie if you're listening. He was a very good daygamer. Last I heard, he had a girlfriend. But Bristol's a different kettle of fish. It's a bit like Cardiff. It is kind of possible. But Bath, what would you sum up? Like, you suggest to a beginner to go to London or learn it somewhere else?

**Speaker 1:** Yes. If you you have the option of living in spending some time living in London, maybe a few months, definitely.

**Speaker 0:** That's why you didn't just do the old boot camp did you? You

**Speaker 1:** lived with us for a while. I did a residential boot camp for a week and that did help. Think if I could stay there for a few months and just dedicate dedicate most of my time to doing that, that would make a huge difference.

**Speaker 0:** Yeah. Desensitization, volume of approaches, it's all an upward spiral you know. And what about traveling abroad? I know in the you know, we got plans in the future, but I always say to guys if you're in a small small British city, you could hop on a budget airline and within a couple of hours, you could be in Munich or you could be in Barcelona, you know, you could be in Paris. And then do two or three days, try and get a long weekend if you can, call in call in sick off work, and just go mad. Yeah. Because you need that volume of approaching, don't you? Mhmm. Any plans to visit Asia again, big Asian cities?

**Speaker 1:** Planning to go to Tokyo later this year with a good friend. Arigato?

**Speaker 0:** Do we say Arigato? That's thank you. Oh, how do we say hello? Konnichiwa. Konnichiwa. See, I haven't even got this weasel down. I haven't even worked out the lingo. I wonder who that friend could be, Tim. Let's let's let's let's put that on hold that and let's see where that goes, that image of perverted Tokyo. Surely, I wouldn't wouldn't be that perverted to go to a place where girls dress up in Super Mario Pokemon schoolgirl costumes. No. That's right. No. No. Your cup of tea at all. You wouldn't like that at talking with him. How weird, how marvelous, how big is Tokyo? Do you know? I don't actually know. So I'm gonna I'm gonna Google it right now as we're talking. What about where else have you been in Asia? I've been to Shanghai,

**Speaker 1:** Taipei, and Phuket in Thailand.

**Speaker 0:** How was how was Taiwan? Taiwan was a lot harder than I was expecting,

**Speaker 1:** but the quality there is extremely good. And the English, any good? It's not bad. If you sometimes if you open a girl by saying, do you speak English? They'll just sort of shake their heads and say no, but I suspect they Mhmm. Their English is better than they're saying, they're just not very confident with it. Yeah. Classic,

**Speaker 0:** you know, when you when it's wobbly. Yeah. And I used to open with do do you speak English or how good is your English. Now, just go in. Yeah. That's a little trick from the last few years where you stop her and you say, I hope you speak English. And it does it does encourage you to speak nice and slowly, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Point four million. Yep.

**Speaker 1:** Hopefully increasing soon.

**Speaker 0:** Well, the birth weight after you've been there, Tim. Hopefully. Yeah. Massively. So they'll all suspiciously look like you. Well, that's gonna be good because we just we just heard that, you know, Japan has the fastest falling population of any country in the world. We have to do something about that. Yeah. It's it's humanitarian effort really, isn't it? That's right. Good for you, Tim. I always knew you had a good heart. You're not just going out for there for this gorgol questions. Anyway, that'll be interesting to report back from there. Let me see how we're doing. I reckon that's half an hour. Look at that. Yeah. It's bang on ish thirty minutes. So time has flown once again. Coffees are finished. Yeah. Do want another one? Trying to make me pee throughout the night, I think. Yeah. But it's been a pleasure. It's been good daygaming today. We're gonna try a little bit more tomorrow. But there you go. I hope that's motivation if you're in a small town, a small city. If you get the chance, go and daygame in one of the meccas, London or New York. And I should add in because I know there's gonna be a comment about, oh, Asian girls are easier. You shouldn't just daygame Asian girls. Should point out that Tim has daygamed in London. Daygamed everything. Tried everything. And you should. You shouldn't just say, okay. I'm gonna approach Asian girls as because that can be a weasel. Some students on training have just said, oh, I just wanna approach Asian girls. Try and learn to approach everything. But if you're like Tim and you do love Asian girls, then go for what you love. That's absolutely fine. Alright. That was podcast number 30 from Bath. Cheers, Tim. See you soon. Goodbye. Goodbye. Over and out. Ta da.