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# Episode 63 Band Of Brothers

**Speaker 0:** Tom Torero podcast, 63, Band of Brothers, a podcast about an up and coming group of scallywags, outlaws, the future rat pack, my compadres on the road, guys that don't just do daygame as a hobby. They're not hobbyists. They take it extremely seriously, and they're either new coaches or they've made it their life. They are the motley crew that I've met on my travels. We'll talk about them in a minute. But on a related topic, if you're looking for a daygame wing, then go to my website tomtorero.com. And yesterday I made a video and I made a permanent post called find a daygame wing now obviously the easiest way to find a wing is to go out into your city center at 5PM and look out for guys stopping girls talking to girls collecting numbers approach them offer them a beer a coffee bounce them on an instant date without escalating and kissing and see if you're compatible remember the wing thing needs to be symbiotic it's giving value it shouldn't be what we call vibe tapping that means parasitic in that one person is stealing the gills off you or using you as their energy source make sure you're compatible maybe you're the same age maybe you're not maybe you've got similar schedules so that's one way but then I thought okay there's all these guys emailing me from cities globally saying they're out there on a limb they want to find a wing how do they do it I thought well I could make another PUA forum but that would lead to more of the same in terms of mental masturbation keyboard pickup artistry and the whole forum thing I just don't like it's a kind of an online wannabe alpha thing there's bullying going on it's just procrastination so what I've done is just create that post go to my blog it's called find a daygame wing and in the comment section guys are leaving their name their age their city most importantly their day game experience and some form of email address no it doesn't need to be your regular one you can create a day game email address and already we've got 54 guys all over the world in all continents I'm scrolling down now. There's guys in London. There's guys in the North Of Italy, Nottingham in The UK, a big Australian contingent, Melbourne, Sydney, Perth. You've got Chicago, Eastern Europe. Europe, you've got London obviously well represented, new guys coming in all the time, Exeter, Bern, Zurich, Johannesburg, South Africa, West Coast Of America, Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Manchester. What else have we got? Amsterdam. We've got West Germany represented. Leon in France, Moldova where I'm gonna be next week. Oslo, I'm going to Norway tomorrow. Actually I'm going to the West Coast going to Bergen we'll talk more about that later Amsterdam again Los Angeles Auckland New Zealand Egyptian guy living in London Warsaw Poland as you can see, there's a need for this stuff because yet you don't always need a wing but when guys are getting into the community getting started, they want to get offline, they want to be doing it for real, taking action, grabbing life by the horny horns, they need a free kick up the ass because if you know the theory, you don't really need a coach at the beginning. The coach is for tweaking later on. You just need those approaches underneath your belt. So get out there with a wing and sure. After that become a lone wolf daygamer. That's what we're gonna be talking about today. Why daygame? Yep. Is a solo sport. You're a lone wolf. You're a black sheep. But the paradox of this, just like being a digital nomad, is that it's great doing your own thing, being self sufficient, not having a boss, turning up in a city, working from your laptop, picking up girls alone, traveling with a bag, minimal living, etcetera, etcetera. That's what I love. That's what I do. Walking the walk, not just talking the talk. But at times, it's a lonely road. It's like that saying, you know, if you're married you're gonna be bored and if you're a bachelor you're gonna be lonely and that's it's kind of the price you pay. Nothing is for free. Yeah? So I'm not saying you need to suddenly become social and have a massive social circle. That's certainly not how I operate. Most guys don't operate like that. Know, they say in your whole life you only ever have two or three real buddies. And daygamers by their very nature, they're quite introverted, quite academic, quite nerdy, you could say. So maybe they have not two or three friends, maybe they have one friend or zero real good friends. And getting into the community, finding wings, finding like minded people and finding these guys that have made daygam their life, you suddenly think, wow, these these are buddies. These are people I can travel with, share Airbnb with, wing with, talk about business with, get motivation from, but I'm not gonna be spending twenty four seven with them. Yeah. This is not a podcast about becoming the hell's angels and having a uniform and having chapters and having badges and having rules and regulations because the irony of that is that that's certainly not outlaw. Yeah. You're you're back into the matrix of having rules and regulations and someone telling you what to do and you having to apply to get in. So this is not, and I repeat, this is not a podcast about some closed gentlemen's club. Some people are in it. Everybody else is outside the gates and there's a membership process to get in. No. I'm calling it band of brothers after the Shakespeare quote. You might know that saying comes from Shakespeare. The quote says, we few, we happy few, we band of brothers. I like that saying because he emphasizes we few, we happy few. Now, in Hell's Angels community, they're called to some people the one percenters after that comment by the American Motorcyclist Association. We know and love the AMA. And they said apparently in the sixties that 99% of motorcyclists were quote law abiding citizens and quote implying that the last 1% were the naughty boys, the outlaws. And in the daygame community, yep, it's it's grown. It's no longer the tiny the tiny niche, the small brother of night game it's his own thing and there are a lot of day gamers a lot of guys that give it a try they give up because it's too hard or they get into a relationship they come and go there's a lot of guys that are hobbyists there's obviously established coaches and companies. But I'm talking today when I say band of brothers or rat pack or outlaws or whatever you want to call it, the motley crew. I like to say think of them as compadres, companions. I'm talking about guys I've met on the road, you could say up and coming, who dedicate their life pretty much to street hustling. So they're not just doing it here and there. These are guys that have put in the work. Work. They've got plenty of notches under their belt. So number one, they get laid consistently. Right? You with younger, hotter girls. They've learned how to do that. They can repeat that at will. Right? So if you put a gun to their head, they can go out, they can get numbers, dates, lays with younger, hotter girls. Not using Tinder, not using online, not bars and clubs, not social circle. Just drop them in a city, they can do it. And importantly, certainly for me and friendship with my material and going forwards is that they can teach it because as you've noticed I'm doing less and less coaching maybe from next year I'll do very little coaching just because I've put the time in. I've I've done that. I've taught many many many many students in boot camps. I've had my time at the cold face and now I'm interested in videography and travel and adventure and the wider stuff, you know, going deeper. But that obviously doesn't mean that the need for young guys coming in to have coaching stops. That will be never ending. So these guys are up and coming and they're either coaches now or they're thinking about becoming coaches and, this will be the future of the coaching community. Another disclaimer is that I'm sure there's more guys out there doing this than I'm going to talk about, that I'm going to mention. This is a list of guys that are not really commercial they don't have big websites they don't have a big presence but as I've traveled around the world I've been to I think 47 countries just for daygame, way more cities than that I've seen people daygaming. I've met the local daygamers. I've given talks to the daygame groups and it's these guys in the last three now four years that have stood out. Guys, that do it regularly as I said they get laid, they get results and they can pass it on these are decent guys that I would vouch for so if you're whichever part of the world you're in you're looking for some coaching obviously they're not charging the same prices as commercial companies or even perhaps someone like me these are guys you can go to for advice you can go to for a kick up the ass or you can just contact them about meeting other daygamers a bit like my find a daygame wing thing so I've written down this list of the motley crew. What I'm gonna do is put their emails and, a little bit about them on my blog. So today's blog after yesterday's find a wing post will be this band of brothers. Now once again, I'm not including guys that already have their reputations in big companies. These are guys you might not have heard of. They might have been on a podcast or a video of mine, but I'm giving them a shout out for no financial gain. This is not about them giving me a percentage of profits or anything like that. It's just nice to know that there's this umbrella group of guys with a reputation. Others can vouch for them. They either know each other or they know of each other. Yep. So I've either lived with them, taught them, daygamed with them, seen videos of them, other people can vouch for them because there's sure blogs popping up all the time sites popping up all the time where you don't really know anything about the guy it's just like a bit of a clickbait spammy thing a PDF thing maybe it's a bit watered down that's a big problem at the moment like life coaches they call it, purple pill stuff you know a bit fuzzy you're not really sure if this guy's teaching hustling daygaming what is he a night gamer but these guys they've really really committed to it and some of them have quit their jobs to do it a lot of them are digital nomads, flow mads. As I said, some of them have already got coaching experience. Others are thinking about doing it full time. But plenty of them have quit their countries and they're on the road like me. That's why I've bumped into them. The first guy, he's been on one of my podcast. He's called Ian. I've known him for a long long time. He's he's known by many daygamers as a guy who's been getting consistent results. He's nomad in that he's got businesses that he runs abroad. So he's constantly traveling. He doesn't have a base. And he's starting to coach this summer in Europe. So Ian's a British guy. He's been living in Sydney, getting great results, very consistent results. So Ian's on the list. Another English guy who's also interestingly come from Sydney called Craig. Craig is based in England. He's thinking of coaching all over The UK. Very solid guy. He does the whole travel thing and he's been already coaching in Australia again I've seen him other guys vouch for him so Craig's on the list Zander you might remember Zander from my around the world last year when I was in Cape Town. I climbed Lion's Head with him. We went to see whales. Not whales, but the whales with tails. Xander's a solid bloke. He's a young guy. Currently, he's in California doing a bit of coaching and traveling, but he's he's a real rock for daygame if you're in South Africa that's the guy I would go to Zander so he's on the list you can check out a guy called Turkish a long standing London daygamer. He's helped me out on boot camps. He, he's thinking about changing his profession, doing more of the daygame stuff. So Turkish is on the list. He's been in the London scene for ages and ages and ages, and I've seen the quality of the girls he pulls fantastic. Rami, my first wing, he needs no introduction. Rami the great, I was in Colombia with him earlier this year. You might remember him from my Moscow videos of 2012. I've been to Latvia with him, lived with him. He's a legend. He likes teaching the inner game kind of stuff. The stuff that I don't really focus on. He does like looking at mindsets. He does like looking at limiting beliefs, fears, phobias, going deeper. You know, we approach it from a different way. I would just throw the student into the fire. Rami is a bit more sensitive. So if you're looking for that kind of stuff in particular, Rami is in London, pretty much always based in London. So he's on the list obviously. Thomas, I've done a podcast with Thomas in Poland. He's getting more and more established as his results go up and up and up. Pretty much all the good established daygamers have seen him action. They know him. They they've seen the results. And importantly, he can explain what he's doing as with all these guys. They're not just the naturals from the school football team with early reference experiences. These guys have put in the work. They understand the model, they've adapted the model, they've tested the model in their different countries and they can break it down and they can demo for you. Right? And they can listen to you with the wireless microphones because there are coaches out there that will just throw you into a girl. You're not wired up and they'll just watch you from afar. You'll come back and they'll throw you into another girl and another girl. That's just approach coaching. That's not breaking down what you're doing. And importantly, then you put the microphone on, the student says, show me two girls. And any of these guys can go off and do that or they'll say, I wanna see a girl in a cafe. So you go off and do that and the student is listening. Alright? So Thomas has a lot of experience. If you're in Poland, I guess if you're in Czech Republic, Germany, he's been in Ukraine recently. So he's on the list. Daniel, a former student of mine, a shining star really. I remember Daniel even when he was on the boot camp. He's a teacher. He's very charismatic. He he really can break things down. He moved abroad for daygame and a a change of life. He's in Spain at the moment. His Spanish is fantastic, so he can teach in Spanish. He'll travel around Spain for that. I think he speaks a bit of French. I've seen some recent videos of him. He's a guy who's dedicated a lot of time to this, and he thinks about what he's doing as well. He's a very thoughtful daygamer as in breaking things down, bigger picture stuff, the biology of it. Daniel's in Europe as well, I think, this summer. So if you're Europe based, especially Spain based, contact Daniel. He's on the list. And the last one for now is a guy called Paul, who I've met in Sydney. I know Paul travels around Europe. I've also met him in Poland. He's been in The Czech Republic. I think he's going to Ukraine. He he's known in the Sydney community. Young guy who is very action based, jumps in, gets results, passionate about it, up and coming. Now you might have spotted a gap in the market, which is interesting for all you business people out there. Where is The USA? Right? This is an interesting one because I've dig in many times in New York City and I've dig in, as you know, in LA and Austin, Texas and I've been to Canada as well. And sure, there are guys with kind of daygame websites but there aren't any really established verified, well known, passionate, nomadic, solid New York City daygamers. And that's weird because as I said in last week's podcast, it's probably the best city in the world, disclaimer for some months of the year, for daygame. The concentration is amazing. It's the only pedestrian city in America where daygame really works. LA's, it's a bit sparse, you know. Santa Monica, The Grove. I understand why LA gamers are night gamers or night street gamers and Miami is pool party. Vegas is pool party. And interestingly, there is a difference. American pickup, some people joke, it's like five to ten years behind European pickup in that they're still on indirect. It's a little bit cheesy. It's a little bit flashy. It's like jock game, you know. Everyone knows of RSD, that kind of style of daygame, very high energy. But the nuanced, ironic, sarcastic, clever, witty daygame of Europe, I've yet to really see a guy doing it passionately in New York City. Now, I might be wrong for lots of these places. You might be listening to this and thinking, hang on a minute. I've dedicated the last five years of my life to this. I get really good results. I'm very well known. Maybe I just haven't run into you or these guys haven't mentioned your name or other guys haven't mentioned your name or I've not seen videos of you so please leave a comment, on my blog for the band of brothers post and tell me about your daygame link me to a video or an audio or if the same name keeps coming up again and again, guys say, oh, check out this guy. Then, yeah, this post will be adapted. Remember, I'm not talking about guys that already have a massive commercial presence. You only need to do a search of, their game and you'll already know these guys. I'm talking about this, rather underground, you could say, club like rat pack, these cheeky outlaws that are, spreading their seed all over the world. And daygame's becoming this fight club like thing. Interestingly, on that point, guys often say, well, what happens if it becomes too popular? All the guys are saying the same line so the girls will know. That's a very common question. Like, you guys are misunderstanding that daygame is art. Alright? The London daygame models just stabilizers. It's just training wheels. And after six months, you shouldn't be saying the same thing as every other guy. You shouldn't be copying YouTube videos. All these guys that I've just rattled off, sure they have elements of the day game structure in them. They know the day game structure for beginners but they have personalities. Right? They have different niches. They have different energies. They have different vibes. They look different. They do it in different languages. And freestyling. It's improvisational. You're in flow. Daygame really comes back to quote unquote being yourself. That's being unconsciously competent in the end, but you need to put in the two years worth of work first. So that's not an issue. As daygame is getting more popular or you're doing more daygame, don't you worry because you should be in flow. Yep. The beginners might be saying the same structure, but that will be long gone for you. Anyway, so the contact details for that cheeky list that's on the blog. Like I said, I don't get anything from it. They're just solid guys that you can contact and it's nice to have this umbrella as I said, this collective. I don't want to make it any more formal that's why I've abandoned the idea of a formal forum because I don't want to be this, company with me as the brand brand and then lots of other coaches and organizing it in terms of a big team and then a sales team and an office and because that's becoming the house angels that's going back to something that I left the nine to five office And it's just not me. You could say I'm selfish but I'm a one man band. I'm a one man brand. Alright? It's me, a laptop, a phone, a video camera, a credit card and a pass passport. That's really all you need now with social media and the internet, and things like YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, etcetera to to get yourself out there. Right? Giving value, giving value, giving value, then when you established, asking for something. Selling a book, selling a product, holding a live event. But don't forget that it's about giving that value. And me being a dictatorial boss, a, that's not gonna work because I'm not good at it and b, I have no interest in it. So if you're thinking about, really pushing your daygame and going out there, I would say be a lone wolf. Alright? Be a black sheep. Don't create a team. You'll all know of a story of company where you work with your friends, it's all fun. Think of, you know, the social network. Think of Facebook the movie the social network about the founding of Facebook and in the beginning it's all fun and you work with your friends and you get an office and it all seems cool and then the money starts rolling responsibilities come and then it all gets bloody serious and very messy. And as soon as money comes into the equation, people want a piece of the pie. And if there weren't any contract signed, it all gets difficult. Lawyers get involved. Egos develop and it usually implodes. So most pickup companies that run that model coaches either leave or the whole thing implodes. So from the beginning, pickup is a personality driven thing. So get your personality out there. It's like vlogging. Alright. The rise of the vloggers or the bloggers. People connect with the personality. So they'll go to a specific daygame guy because they'll say, yeah, he's he fits my kind of personality or I like the kind of thing he's doing. And, the good thing is, you develop this little niche and there's plenty of room. There's plenty of scope for this. But start off on the right foot. So if that's you and you're thinking like you want to do this, then yeah. Establish a blog. Establish a YouTube channel. Establish a presence, give talks, get yourself out there. And remember this isn't on the keyboard. The social media is just an extension of real life. Real life being that in your city you'll be known as the guy that is out there on the streets every night in the wind and the rain. You'll be known as the guy that's giving free advice. You'll be known as the guy giving free talks. You'll be known as the guy that introduces other daygamers to each other. You'll be known as the guy that you can recommend local places. You can take people under your wing, you travel with people and over one year, two years, it's organic. That's what happens. In a way joining the Hells Angels is a bit like that I've heard. You know, if you have to ask how do I join the Hells Angels then, you're not you're not going get into the Angels because it's a social thing. It's not done online. You you meet somebody in a bar because you already know somebody else and you're in that community and then you're a hanger on and then you get invited to some events and then it goes up and then it goes up. And then eventually, after a very long vetting process in real life, not hiding behind a blog, they say, yeah, you know, he's a lone wolf, but he's part of the wolf pack. And that's a very much Hell's Angels philosophy. And I guess that's what's happened in daygame. Guys just rising up slowly over time. You can't do it quickly. Doing this is a marathon. Marathon. As they always say, it's not a sprint. And that's the same for being a digital nomad and being a cheeky street hustling outlaw. Alright. Not long to go. So I'll wrap up by saying that there is one place left for the live street hustle training in Vancouver in August. That's on Saturday August 6 twelve to 5PM, 100% infield. I'm out there teaching and traveling, going to Banff and Jasper doing some nature stuff as well, doing some adrenaline stuff, but teaching in Vancouver on that Saturday. I think somebody's organizing event, an event that I'm speaking in on Saturday, but there'll be details about that. One place left, email me tom tom torero dot com if you want that place. Tomorrow, I'm off to Bergen, the fjordic West Coast of Norway. I'm doing a bit of teaching and it's a bit of downtime getting back into nature. This is my pattern now to stop the burnout is to do immersive daygame, whatever I'm doing filming or teaching and then time out. Something completely unrelated to daygame that keeps the balance, keeps you going long term. That's a good bit of advice for any band of brother outlaw listening to that you can't make daygame your whole life as I say in flow mad. Sure. You've got to go crazy in the beginning. I don't recommend trying to balance things in the beginning for any skill set. Go mental. Immerse yourself until you are sick of it. Yeah. And then re address the balance. And next, come off to Moldova. I'm going there with Turkish, actually, one of the guys on the list. That is for a bit more stealth seduction filming and just having a general laugh. It's the last country I've got to tick off for my former Soviet Union slash iron curtain curtain research. I've lived and daygamed in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, iron curtain countries of Czech Republic, Slovakia, East Germany, Poland, and next week, I'll be in Moldova. And that's for my book. My next book, The Follow On to Torero Travels, just a book about former Soviet Union daygame and and girls. It's called Cold Calling. It'll have 30 lay reports in it plus very, very detailed guides to those cities with maps and how the girls compare and how to deal with the Russian mindset, the former Soviet Union mindset. And some scare stories and horror stories and fights all will be in that book. So that's what I'm working on as well. Anyway, that's the news for now. Get on to my blog so you can find the emails for those coaches and add some more in the comment section. As I said, if you're a very active guy, then, get in touch. I'd like to see your stuff. I'd like to see your daygaming and meet you in person somewhere on the road. That was podcast 63.