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# Episode 67 Daytime Dating Q&A

**Speaker 0:** Podcast 67, Tom Torero in an undisclosed daygame location on the road once again selfishly enjoying some daygame for me. I'm enjoying the sun. I'm enjoying closing some loops. I am enjoying a little road trip. I'm going fishing tomorrow with a girl that I've been seeing for a while. So life is good. And after this, back to The UK for my documentary filming project like I've already mentioned, which is going to be free on YouTube. It's going to be very useful if you're a beginner daygame and you want to see the London daygame model taught, broken down with not just me demonstrating the model but real life students doing it, beginners seeing how they get on. So that's very exciting. In July, a bit of time off, a bit of respite, a bit of a day game vacation because you can't hit it hard all the time. I've spoken before about burnout. So I've been hitting it extremely hard for stealth seduction and filming and teaching and traveling. So it's good to have some summer with the family, with non daygame friends. I'm going to Canada, a little bit of daygame but with a mate called Craig, we're going to go into the wilderness. Not like Brokeback Mountain, but we are going be driving an RV around and roughing it and capturing wilderness on film. So a much needed breath of fresh air quite literally. But I won't be, resting on my laurels. I'm finishing writing Cold Calling, is my next book, the follow on from Torero Travels. This one's my former Soviet Union stories and reports. I'm not only shooting the documentary stuff but editing that as well and starting the big big job of editing stealth seduction. So forgive a little bit of silence, but it's good. It's good for me, it's good for you. It's not an intentional push away to create attraction as I've spoken about in my recent video, The Vanishing Trick, it's just much needed. If you've done a lot of something, maybe you do pro sports or you've immersed yourself in a rock band and you've gone on tour or you've immersed yourself in writing a book or like me, you immerse yourself in daygame, you live it, you breathe it, you wake up, you answer emails about it, you teach it, you do it yourself, you pitch it yourself, you write about it, you make podcasts about it, it's all consuming. And this is very good. Successful people have these obsessive periods of immersion but then you need, you need a breather, need time out anyway. I'm not moaning, I'm just saying that's what's going to be happening in July. Podcast 67, so the last one for a few weeks. This one I put a message out there on my social media. I said, send me any questions you've got on travelling and daygame. It's something I've spoken about before obviously in previous podcasts. I've spoken about it in Flowmad which is free to watch now on YouTube. Maybe you've read Torero travels, maybe you remember podcast nine I think it was. I call that the best daygame cities and I went through all the top destinations in the world But this is a bit of an update and the questions I got were interesting. They were varied. They were jumbled. And some of the questions I haven't answered before, haven't thought about before. So I'm gonna look at them. And one of the best ones I'm gonna make into the theme of the podcast. And the question is from Ron. Ron s. He emailed to say, you've said before, Tom, that daygame and travel is like economic arbitrage. Is it arbitrage with the girl because she likes you or when is it because she likes what you've got? Very good question. So let's dedicate ten fifteen minutes to talking about this principle of arbitrage. Maybe you've heard that word before especially if you're into economics and trade. Arbitrage, the definition is just quote unquote, the practice of taking advantage of price differences between two markets. So, it's the profit which is the difference between market prices. So, you're taking advantage of that little loophole until it balances out and closes. So, in any crisis situation, even recently with the pound dropping temporarily because of big events in British politics, somebody made the winning from that. Obviously, lost and moaned and whenever there's a crisis, people panic and there's depression and sadness, but somebody is taking advantage of that. I like that fact, you know, every cloud silver lining, same with daygame, same with countries, same with different scenarios. Okay, so simple example, war in Ukraine. War in Ukraine right now. Okay. Political, economic, sociological instability. Also in Ukraine, lots of hot girls. Hot girl DNA, Slavic DNA, hot girls in abundance. So the opposite of inflation, deflation of female sexual market value. Alright? Quality of the guy is poor, you go to Ukraine, you look at couples and you'll see a super hot, say a high eight with a guy she met from school, her school boyfriend who's a five. Very normal, they'll get married, have kids, that's normal because there's an abundance of these hot girls and it's difficult times. Alright, these girls are looking for marriage and babies blah blah blah. We can go into that but now let's say one of those Ukrainian girls comes to London and she walks down Oxford Street. She spends a couple of weeks going to bars and clubs. Very quickly, she realizes that her sexual market value is greater than she thought. Why? Because there's, scarcity for that resource in London. Suddenly, have SMV inflation. Guys are thirsty throwing themselves at her. So she realizes, okay. And she can date up. She was dating a five. Now she can date her SMV male eight, SMV male nine, maybe SMV male 10. So the principle of arbitrage would be either her from Ukraine going to London or New York. Also, other way around. Guy from London or New York goes to Ukraine. He was a normal guy with a normal job, normal looks, normal game in London. He arrives in Ukraine. He realizes he's in demand. There's less of him. He's a scarce resource. So a woman's looking at him and he might be quote unquote more attractive, more IOIs. Now here's the crucial question that Ron is asking, why is he more attractive? We need to be really careful with arbitrage because it's a slippery slope into being a provider. It's a super slippery slope into finding gold diggers who are going to hustle you. So capitalizing on imbalance. Yeah. But thinking about is it lover arbitrage or provider arbitrage. That's essentially what Ron's asking. So lover arbitrage would be your DNA is desirable. Example I always give you know, black guy goes to live in Madrid or he goes to live in Riga, let's say. That's a better example. Black guy goes to live in Riga and he's a scarce resource. So, his SMV is inflated relative to what it would have been in a city with everybody being black. So he can take advantage of that and that's a woman looking at him and she's saying, yes, he's a sexy guy. I want him for his DNA. She's not consciously thinking that. She's subconsciously thinking about, babies. This is why women like foreign DNA. The apple needs to fall as far from the tree as possible for a healthy genetic mix up during mating. So we're looking for something different. So he's going to stand out. Yeah. Same with a blonde girl landing in the middle of Africa. In a country of blonde girls, yeah, average SMV landing in Africa through the roof. Yep. So love arbitrage, like I said, desirable DNA. Not looking for money, not looking for visa, not looking for passport, you just stand out. So, the good news is that you've just got to find the country where you are in a high demand, in short supply, where you stand out, where you got what they want genetically. So I've always known. Obviously when I go to Asia girls stare at me. I will come back to Asia in a minute. In Russia girls stare at me but I get it in odd places like in France. There's something about me that French girls like, especially in the South Of France, French girls just stare at me. I've discovered this in Dublin and Ireland as well. Girls, stare at me more IOIs, more positive comments on dates, etcetera. That's what I mean by lover arbitrage. Think of it as desirable DNA. The opposite is provider arbitrage. So, here's the con. Here's the hustle. Yet, you're desirable but it's not your DNA. It's the fact that you're standing out as a westerner, as a tourist. You've got your watch. You've got your shiny camera. She can see your American, Australian, British passport. She is thinking about how are you going to help her with some pocket money or a visa. So obvious countries, many parts of Asia where it's poor, think of The Philippines. You could think of parts of South America, Dominican Republic, Cuba. Here guys are going there thinking, yeah, this is DNA arbitrage when really they know inside that it's not them that the girl wants, it's their resources. Yeah, you could argue it's still economic arbitrage, guy gets sex, girl gets visa but now we're into soft prostitution. Yep, this is not what game is. So in terms of travel and arbitrage, just be very careful and in my new book called Calling about the former Soviet Union, This is one of the big themes. You really have to be careful that you're not being hustled by the girl herself. And there are gold diggers in Moscow, there are gold diggers in Kyiv, there are of course gold diggers in the former Soviet Union. But these are not the girls we want to be deadgaming, texting, dating, sleeping with, even having relationships with. And there's ways you can tell. There's red flags. There's certain things you can say. There's certain questions she asks. But you feel it. You just feel it with enough experience. So, yes, lover arbitrage, fantastic. Message of this podcast is find where you are, where your DNA is desirable. You probably already have an instinct for this. What kind of girls in the past have said that you're super cute or they're really into you. You just know them. So, use it. Okay, nothing wrong with that. That's arbitrage. By going to the source, by going to that country, you'll stand a better chance. Girls, if they are listening to this podcast, iTunes data says that something like 3% of listeners, which doesn't sound like much but iTunes downloads are huge at the moment. So if you're a lovely female listening to this, you should be using arbitrage as well. The old saying is that women should go west, guys should go east. But you get into some dodgy provider arbitrage as well. But if you're a hot girl and you're living in a random village in Ukraine and everybody looks like you and you don't really feel that hot, just take a walk down 5th Avenue and you'll very quickly realize your relative value compared to American girls. Okay. We've got to do some of these questions. So we're about halfway through, I think. And let's just dive into the questions. Okay. Brian says, best daygame cities. Well, Brian, I've talked about that like I've already said podcast nine. So listen to that. Nothing really new to update there. If you want to immerse yourself in daygaming, you need a huge population and transients and universities and tourists and foot traffic and anonymity London, New York City. For hotness, I've always said and I always will say Moscow. St. Petersburg is more touristy, it's more westernized, it's a bit more watered down. Moscow is the source. Okay? No, it's not easy daygame. Yes, you have to be very careful of the schemes that I've just said, the scams that I've just said. Okay? Don't kid yourself that that easy easy perfect girl who's come up to you in a cheesy nightclub. Don't be fooled into thinking she wants you for you until you've checked out her social media, until you've gone on the date, asked her those key questions, looked for red flags, etcetera, etcetera. You're gonna get blown out in Moscow but, it's worth it to get blown. So, if you're experienced with daygame, if you're experienced with traveling in the Former Soviet Union, If you've got a bit of cash because Moscow is expensive, go to Moscow. A beginner version of Moscow and if you've only been dating in America or Western Europe and you think, okay, I want to experience daygame abroad. Prague. Okay. My father's city might be a bit biased but enough of us now have daygame there to, get data on this. So we have physical data. How many approaches to dates? How many dates to lays? Etcetera etcetera. Prague is good because obviously you've got the Czechs and the friendly Slovaks, but you've got loads of Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians to practice on. Some Uzbeks, Kazakhs, plus you've got every American who's doing her backpacking thing through Europe, fucking her way around Europe, they always go to Prague. So you've got an endless stream of Americans and Kiwis and Aussies and the beautiful British girls if you like them. So Prague is great and it's all year round even at Christmas and even in the peak of summer when a lot of cities empty out because the students go, Prague is always going. It's a beautiful city as well. Yeah, it's a victim of its own success. I call it Disneyland because it's just swamped by segways, is that what they're called and stag dos and openly peddling drug dealers. But it's good. Very similar to Barcelona in fact, which is another good daygame city because it's a melting pot of tourists, backpackers, hustlers. The Catalan girls, they're okay. I would say Andalusia is much better, much hotter if you're looking for that Penelope Cruz thing. Madrid obviously being much bigger, much better. But Barcelona was much more mixed in its year round and it's got backpackers hostels and it's a beautiful city if you can put up with the tourist thing. Munich, very good. In Germany, just avoid Oktoberfest when it's just foreign guys. Remember that arbitrage, SMV, relative value thing, that's not the time to go. Do the opposite of what every other guy's doing. I should have said that with the arbitrage thing. Yeah. If you're going to Ibiza when every guy is going to Ibiza, surprise surprise, your SMV is low. Yeah. If you're going to Miami to the same club as every guy, your SMV is low. So that's what we call being a little bit shiny not as a provider but, shiny DNA. Munich, I've said Cologne, I would add to that, but listen to podcast nine. There we go. We've to whiz on with these questions. What's the optimum time to go? Says Steve. A week is too short if you're doing what we call a euro joint, a little trip abroad. It doesn't have to be Europe. A week is too short because you'll collect leads and then you'll get frustrated because you're going on dates but you don't have enough time to seal the deal. Ten days to two weeks is great. That's enough for lay and a few more leads that you can go back and close. I've tried a month in different cities and you get burnt out, you get tired, it's too long especially if you're just doing day game. So better to do these two week things, have a break, do a bit of long game if you want on the leads you like, the hot ones and then go back if you like the city, you wanted to close them. The minimum population, Steve asked this as well. In the past I've said a million people because you need that transient, you need that volume, you need that anonymity but around seven hundred eight hundred thousand that's okay especially when uni's in. Remember daygame cities always have multiple universities. So a city like Riga, it has 700 odd thousand people but when the uni is there, it's flooded. Yeah. Stockholm, 800,000 but when the uni is there, it's crazy. But a million plus is ideal. High turnover. You'll never see the same girls again even though that doesn't matter. It's just nice to feel free. She feels free when you get into cities with $2.03, 4,000,000 gold, absolute gold. Accommodation. Paul says optimum accommodation. Well, I've spoken a lot about this on FLOMAD. Watch part one and part two free on YouTube. And in FLOMAD I obviously say don't do hotels because you'll get cock blocked by the door reception people. She'll feel slutty. It's not easy. It's not smooth to bounce her. So do Airbnb which is a home away from home, an apartment In another city, it could be somebody's house that they're renting out or it could just be a serviced apartment. It has a kitchen, it has a sofa, it has a TV, it has a washing machine. Often it's cheaper than a hotel and yeah, easy to bounce the girl back for cooking like I did last night, watching a movie, sitting on the sofa, having sex on the sofa, always a lot easier than dragging her into the bedroom. She knows what that means. But to save money, because I know Airbnb can be expensive, especially if you're on your own. Then when you're doing your number farming, that means when you're arriving in the city and just going mad and collecting phone numbers for two, three, four, five days, stay in a hostel, stay in a bed in a 16 room dorm, right? It doesn't really matter because you might not be going for the same day lay. If you are, yep, you need the airbnb but if you're just collecting numbers, you're just starting out getting your bearings in the city, hostel first then airbnb to close. Right. He also asks about let me see, let me see. Yeah. Flights, booking flights, deals, etcetera, etcetera. That's all in flow mad and Torero travel. So I'm not going to go over that now. Just remind you, use the website Skyscanner price comparison and yeah collect points obviously. Jose, I think it's Jose, he asks do I use Tinder for pipelining? Pipelining being a community term for preparing some leads before you go using things like Tinder or using internet dating. The answer is no and no. Mostly for those, well for internet dating because of the provider arbitrage that I spoke about, A silly game to play if you're going to parts of Asia or let's say Ukraine again. What kind of girls are going to be on western dating sites? Let me think. Yeah, just be careful with those kind of scams. Tinder, I've yet to see, I've I've most of my students who I live with, I've yet to see when they're using Tinder because they do as like a little backup. I've yet to see him get his choice A. They've shown me like their choice A, their hot girl pictures on tinder and they might message but they don't go out with that guy. They always end up going out with a girl who you could say is equal to or beneath them in looks. And now, I'm not judging that. Not saying I've never had a cheeseburger at 2AM in the morning. Yeah. But game, remember, is a girl with bigger, higher SMV than yours. The old quote is she's got to be two points hotter. Yep. Or she's significantly younger. She's got a higher sexual market value than yours and I've yet to see a guy doing only Tinder game where he's getting girls that are of better quality than cold approach pickup. If I'm wrong then correct me and send me all your stories But no, no, no, no, no. And it'll also stop you from going there and doing the daygame. It will be an excuse. It will be a weasel not to go out and approach. So no. He also asked about cost. And again just go to flow mad I talked about the price comparison website and in podcast nine as well I think I was talking about different costs for different cities. Okay, Tom. Good name Tom. He asked me which nationality have I had the most success with I. E. Where have I got the most notches? Well, if you're talking about nationality and flags, guys are always shocked to hear this, but if you've read my first book daygame, perhaps you won't be shocked. My most notches geographically are British, specifically English. And, guys are always shocked about that because guys assume, you know, the old cliche, daygame only works on tourists and Eastern Europeans. But statistically, I've had most lays with English followed by, yep, Russians or FSU girls because that is what I love. I love the Slavs, always would love the Slavs. Maybe it's my Slavic genetics. Followed by The US Of A. Uncle Sam has been very kind to me, both Americans traveling and Americans in America. God bless American girls and no, they're not all dumpy. No, it's not all Dunkin' Donuts. If you go to LA, if you go to Vegas, you go to Miami, if you go to New York City, you will find some tall skinny hot girls. Germany is the next one. Lots of German girls. Like I said about that DNA arbitrage thing, Germans also find me, attractive. There's something in me that Germans really like and on my list it's followed by French and then lastly Polish slash Czech, equal numbers. Alright. We'll keep going with the questions. Steve says, how do you persuade strict Muslim girls to sleep with you? Well, it's not really about rationally persuading them and don't worry, I I see in the question a couple of belief systems when you say strict and you also say Muslim because it's that belief that religion is stronger than biology and that a good girl is harder to close than a quote unquote bad girl. Luckily under the bonnet girls are all the same. I've said this a million times. Sure, you need to be discreet. Sure, it might take a bit of time but, it's just a question of her not feeling judged. So with Turkish girls I've slept with or Iranian girls I've slept with, as long as their family is not watching, yep, and as long as you escalate smoothly over time, maybe you add in one or two more dates, That girl is gagging for it. Okay? Religion suppresses badly this sexual urge and then when they do get a chance to act on it, it just explodes. So they're often more wild and you could say they're easier once you've got them back in your place or in the bedroom than a girl who's having a lot of sex. That sounds very counterintuitive but a suppressed good girl is often easier to fuck at the last hurdle than a girl who's having a lot of casual sex and she comes around and she's like, yeah, I know you wanna fuck but I'd prefer to watch Jurassic Park, whatever. But that strict Muslim girl quote unquote, she's been waiting five, six years, you know, dreaming of this moment and you just kiss her and she jumps you. So that's my experience with Muslim girls, Christian girls and virgins. Wolf in winter says, when traveling, how do you overcome situations where you and the target, I. The girl don't share a common language. What do you do on a day two? Again, that's in Torero Travels, that's in FLOMAD. Don't learn her language and it doesn't matter if you don't speak their language. Where I am right now, very little English. I've just been on a date. I had a date last night with the clothes and I've just had an afternoon date now, very little English. It doesn't matter because on the street, it's subcommunicated, man to woman, eye contact, holding the hand, she knows what you want because you jumped in front of her. Tiger eyes, basic communication. It was like this in Tokyo, it really doesn't matter. They know what you want, alright? If you're looking at them, I say like a buffet, not like your best friend. You got to look at them with that smirk twinkle in your eyes, that hunger. She knows what you want. Yeah. You can use Google translate on the street. I've done that in Serbia. Did that in Tokyo. Then on the date, her having bad English like she just had now encourages you to speak a lot slower and low and slow is sexy. You can stare at her. I was doing, looking at her hand, hand sizes, the usual kino escalation, showing her pictures on my phone. Look at my most recent one of my recent videos on the old photo stack, the PUA photo stack. She shows me her photos. We use a bit of Google translate. It's very nice. It's very simple. I actually like it. And again counter intuitively a chatty girl like an Aussie girl or a Brit or a Canadian girl, it's just too much chat. Chat is ruining sexual tension. So I've slept with many many many many girls where they've had very little English and I'd say it works better. Tokyo is a good example of that. Unique languages, Mike says, are there any interests that you try and cultivate when you travel? Yes, Mike. I've said again in flow mad, it's very important to balance this out if daygame is your passion. So you know that I like skiing, you know that I like outdoor things, I like kayaking, I obviously like making movies, I like playing the guitar, I'm often in the cinema, I'm often in festivals, I like live music, good food, doing things like this fishing thing that I'm going to do tomorrow or when I was in I was in Moldova going to a winery. Yes. Yes. Yes. Balancing it out. Otherwise, you just become a day game nut job, a grumpy robot, And nobody wants that. Yeah. Right. Ben, he says, will you try daygame in The Middle East in, for example, Lebanon? Yes. It's right up there on the top of my list of to dos. Lebanese girls in Lebanon, I want to do a bit of it for stealth seduction but at the moment it's all a bit here, there and everywhere with not only security but many factors stopping me from going to Lebanon but it's on my list. Promise you I've tried digging in Morocco, a little bit in Egypt although I was a bit chodey back then. I've digged in Turkey. Like I said, I've dated girls from Iran but very keen to to see Lebanese girls. I know how hot they are because I've met a shitload of them in London. Big fake boobies, capital of plastic surgery, lovely big eyes, dark hair, dark eyes, just my cup of tea. So I'm keen to get there. Andres says, do you rent airbnb rooms not just apartments? Because he's asking about obviously if you're in a room in somebody's house, will the host be pissed off when you start banging a girl? Yes, have. Especially in cities like New York where to get a whole apartment for yourself like in London would be ridiculously expensive even on airbnb. Just do the searches very carefully. So click the box that says room only and then search for obviously the photos. Look at where the room is. Look at the job the guy has, is there a separate entrance, are you next to each other, did the review say that the host was there all the time, etcetera, etcetera. So the last couple of times in New York, it's been room only but the room has had a separate entrance. So to bounce the gill back was super easy, and I never saw the host. Much, much cheaper. So good question, Andres. Last one. It's from anonymous. He asks about Asian game. Why do I criticize Asian game and say it doesn't exist? Alright. Well, I'm being a bit harsh because Asian game does exist in countries where they're not after your money. Alright? Or you're not a super chronically nerdy guy who's dating down. So when I was in Tokyo, when I was in Beijing, when I've been to other Asian countries, see western guys going there with no game. They're usually, you know, TEFL teachers and they're dreaming of pussy paradise. They're doing the wrong kind of arbitrage because they're going there and they're dating a girl. You'll see them holding hands with a girl who has less SMV than them, you know. Bless him, he might be an average guy but he's dating a really, you know, hate to say it but a really poor quality girl. He's missed the idea that arbitrage or certainly game should be hotter in Asia. It should be certainly much much much hotter because he's a desirable commodity and with a bit of game, with a bit of cold approaching. Yeah. Okay, that's good as long as she doesn't want passport visa money etc. But that's very common and Asia attracts sex tourists, know, guys thinking they are they're leading some kind of massive player hustler lifestyle when it's pay for play. They're paying the bar tab of this girl. Hopefully not a guy dressed up as a girl but you know what I mean. So Asian guys Asian game is a slippery slope and some sad stories coming out of Asia but yeah, I'm being a bit flippant. Of course, you can go to Asia and I've taken in Singapore, I've had success in Manila, I've had success in Tokyo and yeah, if you're cold approaching the girl and you're not promising her anything, you know, she doesn't need your money, she doesn't need your wealth, she's happy with her country, she's hotter than you, she's younger than you, fair game, game is game and some guys really do like Asian girls. A lot of my students will initially say, yeah, I prefer Asian girls but what they're meaning is that that's a weasel, they're saying, you know, I get less blown out quickly by Asian girls or they're a bit more timid so I don't need to practice my game. It's a phase I think but there are some guys that genuinely love Asian girls as much as I like Slavic girls or Colombian girls or Welsh girls. There we go. Enough. I think we've just hit half an hour. That was podcast 67 from my secret daygame location. A bit of July downtime and then I will be back on it. I promise in August. Till then have a great summer.