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# Episode 68 Threesomes & Moresomes

**Speaker 0:** Tom Torero back from the dead podcast 68 threesomes and moresomes. We'll come into that in a second. Updates about what I've been doing in July. Well, I've put a video out on my YouTube channel, which explains my little summer sabbatical, why I did it, why I do it, not getting day game burnout, keeping the love for all things day game, stepping away from social media, being online. It's all good stuff. Not just to play Pokemon GO, but the real world exists for us to enjoy. And it's very easy to forget when you're fanatical about something, especially somebody with a personality like mine. When I get into something, I really get into it. And I spent five, six, seven years on the streets doing day game teaching day game traveling for day game. So it's very good sometimes to step away and not even make YouTube videos, not to talk about it on podcasts, not to think about it daily, but to remember that other stuff is out there. That's certainly not to say day game is bad or that I'm quitting daygame. Far from it. It's these little breaks that give me the boost, the energy needed to continue this lifestyle. And you should do it too. If you've immersed yourself in it, you've got really good, you've got where you want it to be, take time off. It will actually improve your game. It's the off season. Yeah? You can't just, play and play and play. You're gonna get burnout. You're gonna get fatigue, and you also get day game guilt. Not many people talk about this, but, if you're a day gamer as opposed to a night gamer, you can't just walk around your life not thinking of game. If you are into night game, then it's Friday night, Saturday night in the club, you know, 10PM to 3AM. But daygamers, wherever you go, you're looking at girls in coffee shops and standing on the train platform in the airport, and the daygamer feels guilty and thinks why aren't I opening that gill, you know? This is pathetic. This is a weasel. This is an excuse. I should be doing it. Especially if it's your job like me, you think come on Tom, this is stupid. Go and approach him. When after you've really got this skill set down, lines need to be drawn. So that was what was happening in July. I'm actually recording this podcast before. I'm gonna release it quite a few days before because by the time you're listening to this, I'll be somewhere in Canada finishing my little sabbatical into the wild somewhere near Banff Jasper, heading out from Vancouver with a mate and a daygamer and a cameraman called Craig. So, that's the beginning of August. I'll be back around the eighth, the ninth, I think, into London for a little bit of teaching and then back into Europe for my daygame shenanigans. Anyway, topic of today, threesomes, foursomes. We'll talk about, more somes. Kinky shit. Leveling up, so not just, doing this to have sex with one girl, but fulfilling your childhood, playboy mansion fantasies and taking it further. In my textbook street hustle, there's the plug, I've got a chapter on the relationship hustle. And in that, I talk about open relationships and, bisexual girlfriends leading into threesomes. More stories and more nitty gritty are actually found in my first book, the paperback or it's now on Amazon Kindle. Daygame, what a catchy title that is, what an original title. My first book, Daygame, which is really, it's rough and ready, it's just a copy paste of a private blog I used to keep where I used to list all my successes and learning points from 2010 so this charts the years 02/1112. I think it's got a bit of 2013. There's a 100 lay reports. I went nuts and put them all in from that period. And quite a few of them, you can see my progression. Quite a few of them go from single girls to, first of all, male male female threesomes. No. That's not a homo. That was done with my wing. A fantasy of girls and a common form of threesome. Easier to start off that way, so we'll talk about that form of threesome. And then moving on to female female male threesomes, and foursomes, and kinky shit, and it's all in that book, my kinky London days. Anyway, the first type of threesome that, is achievable, definitely achievable if you've got mates doing daygame, is the male male female threesome, which is actually what girls fantasize about a lot. Very, very common because it's the dominating fantasy. Girls will all wanna try it once or twice. How you do it is that you meet a girl and you daygame her and you date her and you sleep with her and you sleep with her more than once so she's comfortable around you and then you introduce her to your wing and with full permission you say to your wing look flirt with her, run attraction material on her, spike things up, get her attracted, get the anime eyes going, do a little bit of kino in the pub, and that's the first meeting. Maybe meet a second time where you go out and you do something fun, you ride bikes together, you go back to your house and you watch a bit of a movie, and again, let him flirt, leave them alone. And this sounds shocking you're thinking well she's with you isn't it? Why would she flirt with your mate? Well remember both of you are doing daygame in lover mode so you've slept with her in lover mode you haven't pretended to be the boyfriend this is our selected you're the bad boy she might even have a boyfriend. She might even be engaged. But she knows that sex with you is just fun and casual. It's player sex. And then she meets your mate who's also this kind of bad boy lover guy and she's happy to flirt with him too. Because you're there, you're giving them permission and she knows it. And then it requires you all to go out, have a few drinks and you start a few dares or you do the questions game together and in front of you you tell your girl to kiss your friend. Many many girls will do this. Again, it's you leading. They like the authority fantasy. You go back to yours. You put on a movie. You smoke shisha. You play guitar, whatever. And, first of all, the trick is for you to start having sex with that girl, and your wing, your mate, is kind of around the house. And then he comes in, and in the middle of you and the girl having sex, your mate takes off his clothes and, does whatever all of you wanna do. Now that sounds gay. That sounds really gay. You have to see your mate naked. Well, that's right. Whenever you go swimming with your mate or, you're getting changed to play some sport, There's a load of blokes naked. Is that gay? Does that make you feel weird? No. It's, something you just have to get over. I guess you know your wing very well. I knew the wing in this book, Anthony, very, well. It brings you closer together, not in that way. And it's just a laugh. Actually, you'll find all of you are smirking, laughing. The girl finds it quite funny. You and your mate find it quite funny. Sometimes it's difficult to get it up when you know somebody's watching you for the first time. You can have some sympathy with porn stars. So it requires just to get over that mental barrier. But once you've done it, no body parts should be touching between you and your mate. You can work out the sexual dynamics, but the girl absolutely loves it. And yeah, then in future occasions she might go off and just sleep with him, but the payback is that, he will give you a girl to sleep with one of his regulars. You can have threesomes together. So in the book, it starts off, if you've got the book in front of you, it's page a 160, with me, introducing my wing Anthony to a Polish girl that I'd already slept with in East Acton in London. And, that was our first, memorable male male female threesome. And then after that, he introduced me to one of his girls that he was seeing. She had a boyfriend. She was studying at a top London university. She was very cute. And the same model worked again. So we both of us slept with her. Then let's see other male male female threesomes with a Romanian girl she was one of mine again the same wing another one of mine when I was living in the Marble Arch daygame house a Hungarian girl I was sleeping with, a Hungarian stripper. I slept with her with John Matrix. You might remember good old Matrix. See how generous I am giving all these girls two wings. A Portuguese girl, I slept with with Dave Diglett, again in the Marble Arch house. Now on to female female male threesome. So you and two girls. Requires a little more balls, little bit more balls, little bit more leadership. You taking control. You just gotta go for it because it sounds awkward. It is slightly awkward. The girls are gonna laugh. They're gonna feel uncomfortable in that. Who's taking the lead? What's this all for? Especially if it's a girl you're seeing and you're introducing her to a girl who's new. She wants to feel like, okay, she's a little bit more special than that new girl. The new girl is the kind of toy amongst you. So let's talk about female, female, male. How do you find two girls? Well the pickup dream is to walk around meet two Swedish sisters take them home and bang them both. But I don't know a daygamer who's done that met two girls at the same moment from cold approach taken them home and slept with them far more common. All the threesomes I've had like that and that my wings and daygame friends have have have had has been you sleeping regularly with a girl again in lover mode and finding out that she's a little bit kinky that in the past she's had a girlfriend, slept with a girl, or kissed a girl, or thought about a girl. And then at the same time, you daygaming and sleeping with another girl who you also find out is a little bit kinky or wants to try. The amazing thing is that about two thirds of girls, science reckons, wanna give it a go. Doesn't mean they're bisexual, certainly doesn't mean they're lesbian, but girls are far more open. Their sexuality is fluid. They wanna try it. The female body is a beautiful thing. Looks nice, tastes nice, feels nice. They wanna try it. And certainly with, with their guide, they wanna try it because it's a turn on. Like I said, the third person is is a kind of a toy. It's a kind of a enriching of the fantasy. So you have to introduce those two girls a bit like with you and your wing and and the single girl. You meet the girls together. You do something together. You do an activity together. Maybe you go to the park together. You go for drinks together. And then you have to lead it, remember? And you say to one of the girls, what do you like about the other girl? And then you switch over and you say, what do what do you, pointing to the other girl, like about her? Get more specific. So you they say, oh, I like her hair. Do you like her lips? Do you like her legs? In a secluded pub or a secluded bar or in a park, you tell them to kiss each other. If they kiss each other, then it's immediately on. If they're a little bit giggly, which girls often are, then that's okay. You go to the pub, you go to the bar, maybe leave it for the next meeting, they come around your house. That was how I did it. The times in the book, in my first book daygame, the first female female male threesome I had was with a French girl and a Russian girl. That was actually after a club night. And in the book, I go through the beautiful details of that first threesome. The second threesome was the same French girl and a Turkish girl. That's also in the book. And then leading on to the the foursome was based on the Romanian girl that I had shared, if you like, I had given to one of my wings and he had slept with her And she was proper bisexual. Now this is very, very useful. Remember this. If you find a bisexual girl during your daygame harem building, then cling on to her. Hold on to her because she's very, very useful for this kind of thing. So I was seeing her pretty regularly. She was a Cambridge University bisexual student that used to come down to London and I would sleep with her. That wing I told you about, he had slept with her. And then just at the same time, that wing was dating a Lithuanian girl and he had found out she'd wanted to try a threesome, but they hadn't been able to find a girl. So we went out one evening to the kinkiest part of London. If you live in London, I'd recommend you take in any kinky girls or curious girls to this location. Go to Soho. Find a bar called Freedom Bar, which looks normal upstairs, but it's very kinky downstairs. It's all sorts going on. We actually went to GAY, the gay club. And again, many guys would go, what? You went to a gay club? That's fucking weird. Well, this, my friends, is the secret of getting kinky. Right? You expose girls to these kinky environments. I've taken many innocent girls, quote unquote innocent girls, to see the strip clubs in London, and they've all loved looking at strippers and touching strippers and making out with strippers. That just introduces them to this world. Yeah. And in GAY, there's guys doing all sorts of weird shit. It's a very liberated environment. Girls feel very free and open. And what do you know, me and my wing made my Romanian girl and his Lithuanian girl make out on the dance floor as soon as we saw them full on make it out we got a taxi back to his and that became, that became a foursome which is also in the book daygame. I've not gone beyond the foursome in terms of numbers but I've been to other kinky nights with bisexual girls or open minded girls. I've been to kind of BDSM meetups. I went to a BDSM club night. Obviously, if you're dating, properly dating, a bisexual girl, and it's kind of a closed relationship just with the understanding that you both sleep with other girls, then that's what some pickup artist believe is the nirvana state. Although that girl's SMV will decline over time and even bisexual girls switch to being straight and wanting babies and they wanna settle down after a while. So it's not a long term solution, but it's a very nice temporary solution. There's all sorts of PUA tricks you can read online about getting two girls who are with you to start having a threesome because often, this has happened to me, you'll bring both girls back, maybe you've slept with them separately, if you're lucky you've just met them, and one of them you can sleep with, but the other one gets too shy, too embarrassed, she might just want to have sex with a girl and not you as well. So one of them might get a little bit nervous and change her mind. So there's the PUA techniques about the dual massage where the girls massage each other then they both massage you. There's steps to go for the kiss. But to be honest, if you've already slept with those girls separately, like I said, they're both comfortable with you, and they both express some kind of kinkiness or desire that you've brought up during sex, remember that that's a great time to do it. While you're having sex or after sex, say to the girl, you know, have you ever kissed a girl? How far have you gone with a girl? What kind of girls do you find attractive? Imagine her sleeping with a girl. Wouldn't that be cool? Now girls will often bring up like, oh, that would make me jealous. You know, I I just want you to myself. And you've gotta say, well, listen. It would really turn me on. Alright? It's just you and me, baby. But the other girl, she's, she's our toy. You know? We we're gonna we're gonna do stuff with her. You can go so far as to have a safe word when when your bird wants you to stop, etcetera, etcetera. You can get into swinging if you're of that disposition. I've never seen really a hot swingers party. They always seem to be middle aged 50 year old, 60 year old German couples, bit flabby. It's not, the porn scene that you envisage in your head. The only cock in the room, you and 30 girls in a club, that's just pure porn fantasy. But I guess unless you're a Charlie Sheen, Robbie Williams in his heyday, Russell Brand in his heyday. So when you do it, you'll find that it's, it's awkward because you're feeling awkward. And remember, you've got a lead. You've got a lead, in an extra fashion. Somebody has to take control the girls will be laughing you'll be feeling uncomfortable so work up to it like I said start with you and your wing having a bit of fun even if you both make out with the same girl that's a story in the daygame book when my wing and I my original wing, Anthony, and I decided we were both gonna daygame a girl from the street to take her on an instant date together, take her to a park, and make out with her. That was the aim, and that's what we did. And then you work out to the male male female threesome, then you work out to the female female youth threesome, and then try and combine you and your regular girl with your wing and his regular girl hanging out, having a party, getting a bit drunk, getting the girls to do stuff together, and then switching partners. And then, after that, I've, not done it as much as I've been traveling, because you need regular girls really for it to be easy. I did it once in Manila in The Philippines, but again, Asian game. You know how much game was needed? Both girls were very into it. I've often as gifts given girls that I've been seeing to flatmates, and they've given girls that they've been seeing back to me. That's a great way if you're into notches. I, I remember a Chinese girl in the Marble Arch House in the Daygame House in London. I was seeing her, and then halfway through having sex, because I knew my mate liked her, I just, said, what do you think of my mate? Do you find him attractive? And she said, yep. I said, would you sleep with him? And she said, yep. And I just opened the door, called him. He went in and I shut the door. And, she came out actually a minute later with a kind of a disturbed look in her face, and I thought, oh, no. What's he done? It's too far. Too fast. And she just said, look. So and so is in the room. Is it okay if I have sex with him? Proper blunt like that. And I went, yep. So she went back in, and they had sex. And, this all sounds really weird, especially if you've just done lovey dovey monogamous relationships. If you're doing daygame in boyfriend mode, yeah, you're implying to the girl that she's your only one, that this is long term love. So remember, it's very important to be doing daygame after a year or two in this lover mode where it's very clear that you're not lying to her pretending to be her boyfriend. She kind of knows. It's implied that, you have other girls. She definitely knows you're a player, that it's open. The sex has gotta be crazy and wild and fun and casual. It it can't be that, you know, mission reposition lights off cuddling sex. And she has to be the right kind of girls. No. Not all girls will do this, but a shocking percentage of girls will or fantasize about it. It's just the same as the percentage of girls that watch porn. And you'll go, no. No. No. No. No. No. My girl that I'm dating right now, she can't possibly watch porn. She's so sweet. She's so innocent. She's so lovely. You know, she's so cultured. She's so educated. She's so different. Well, my friend, if you only knew what she was watching on the Internet, and you can Google, the type of porn, the the most popular type of porn that women watch, that women search for. And it's, educational, The the kind of, search terms that girls go for often, it's two guys. They happen to be black guys often. But there we go. Often, it's two guys because it's about power, isn't it? It's about domination. One of the craziest stories in my, daygame history, which really opened my eyes to how far you can take things and what girls fantasize about and what they wanna do and what they will do was, once again in that CD Marble Arch daygame house when I was living in London with a lot of, very, very good daygamers. And one daygamer, one afternoon, went out and at a bus stop on Oxford Street, he met a, a French girl. No. A Swedish girl. She had just arrived from Sweden to be a nanny in London, and he was a good daygamer, very good daygamer. He brought her back to the house, and he introduced her to this whole household of daygamers and as evening came he had made out with her and done stuff with her and then he introduced her to his main wing in the house and she gave him a blow job actually on the roof outside my window in full view of me. That was lovely then. She was loving it. She brought he brought her into my room, introduced her to me, left me with her, and she was she was just going crazy because she had already, done stuff with, the original guy and then his wing. So she gave me a blow job. I slept with her, and then, I think she gave another guy in the house a blow job. This was the same, evening. And then she left and the following week, she hooked back up with the the original guy and just said she'd always wanted to try that. You know, that was her porn fantasy fulfilled. So like I said, once you see it in action, you think, wow, this this is really possible. You just have to orchestrate it. You just have to lead it. You just have to hang around guys that are also very good at this stuff. Going on holiday with a with a really good wing who's pulling lots of girls, that's great. Having a regular wing who gets results and you can start swapping girls and doing crazy stuff, that's great. Because if you're just on your own trying to do all this stuff, then I guess it would be much harder. But like I said, some upsells. If you wanna read all my kinky stories and all the other stories, get my first book daygame. My second book, the paperback book and kindle book is Torero Travels, when I do stuff around the world. That's when I first started traveling. Then you've got, the small tiny PDF called, size doesn't matter, it's called how to flirt with girls. That's just full of one liners about spiking things up in the attraction phase. How to tease, how to challenge. There's some text spikes as well and physical spikes and verbal spikes to do on dates. That's just an Amazon Kindle book. And then the big one, the daddy. It's street hustle. It's the hardback bible. It's got all my Torero toolkit in it from daygame and texting and dating and relationships. Two wider questions. And in the back of that book, part three, it's the 100 most common questions that people send me. I was getting so many emails asking the same thing that I put it into book form. So I'll read you the the list of the first 18 questions, which are very, very common. I've grouped them into hustle mindset questions. Number one, what are the key mindsets for a good daygamer? Number two, do I need money, looks, and fame to attract girls? Number three, how do you stay motivated? Number four, what's the best way to stop giving a fuck? Number five, can't I just be natural, quote unquote, be myself? Question six, is this all rather misogynistic or sexist? Question seven, should I tell my friends and family about my street Question eight, do I need to study theory? How long does it take to get good? Question nine, is hustling to find a girlfriend different from doing it to get laid? Question 10, how does a guy's age affect his daygame hustling ability? Question 11, the big one, I suffer from approach anxiety a a. What's the best way of getting rid of it? Question 12, a common one. Are there too many people doing it? Won't girls quote unquote know what I'm doing? Question 13, will game, pickup, taking action make me happy? Question 14, what does vibe really mean? Question 15, how do I know this stuff works? This is a very common question. Am I too old, too young, too tall, too short, too fat, too skinny, too poor? Question 16, in a busy city, isn't street hustling bothering girls? Question 17, what is the one most important piece of game advice you'd give? And question 18, I've read about the r k wilderness between love and provider. Can you explain it and how to escape it? So that is just the first 18 questions out of a 100. If you wanna know more, check out my textbook available from my website Street Hustle. A few announcements before the end of this podcast to wrap it up. Are you in your forties, fifties, maybe sixties and beyond? And you're a bachelor. I'm very keen for you guys if you're in that boat, in that situation. You're living this kind of lifestyle that I do, but you're in your forties. You're in your fifties, you're in your sixties, you haven't settled down, you're not married, or maybe you were married, you're still openly dating girls and having this kind of fun. If you're in those age brackets, I'd really like to hear from you, and we could do an anonymous podcast. Either I could interview you in person or through Skype. You don't have to give your personal details, but, I'm certainly fascinated as I get older, and a lot of my readers and listeners are fascinated about sustaining SMV and sustaining day game skills and sustaining this lifestyle into your forties, fifties, sixties, and beyond. So please get in touch with me. If that's you, Tom@TomTorero.com. Live coaching for me this year is fully booked. It's now, over. Like I said, I'm doing less and less coaching each year, more and more writing, more and more video stuff, wider stuff. I've had my time at the cold face. I've taught hundreds of boot camps, thousands of students, loads and loads of one on ones. I've taught the London daygame model over and over and over again since 2010. So now two very good daygamers, wings, friends, Daniel and Craig, they are gonna take a lot of the coaching on for me in The UK and Europe. So if you want discounted, obviously, one day sessions, you want some residentials in The UK or in Europe, get in touch with me, the same email, and, we can book something with Daniel or Craig. Now, gentlemen, summer is in is here, like I said at the beginning of the podcast, unless you're in the Southern Hemisphere, but even then, there's shopping malls. But for the Northern Hemisphere, come on, guys. Now is the time to get out. No more excuses. Set yourself targets. Write down what you want. Is it gonna be 30 to 50 approaches a week? What's your schedule? Is it gonna be Monday, Wednesday, Friday? Is it gonna be long day, Saturday, Sunday? Are you gonna get one number a day? Is your target one date a week? Fuck this outcome independence. Fuck just walking around and having fun in the sun. No. Be results orientated for now. Beginners certainly should have their eye on the prize. Alright? Forget the machine gun thing. You wanna be a sniper. So you say, I want this. Just like Anthony and I said, we want to take a girl from the street on an instant date and then both kiss her. And then we said, we both wanna sleep with a girl, or we wanna threesome, or we wanna foursome, whatever. Identify it. Because if you don't have that, how can you work towards it? And that's how the male brain works. So maybe now is the time to try a different city. Go on a three day long weekend euro joint. Alright? Or if you're in The USA, go to New York City. Go to a massive city. Try burning your boats. So that's leave your phone at home. Alright? Remember that from street hustle. No numbers. You just see how far you're gonna go. So instant date. Instant date plus bar, instant date plus bar, plus bar, bounce to your house. Go for it. You're never gonna see that girl again. See how far you can take it. Go for the same day lay. That's called burning your boats. Have these missions. Now is the time to do it. When winter is upon you, there's so many more excuses. Know, you're gonna say it's too dark, you're gonna say it's too cold, you're gonna say you're busy with university, you're just not gonna be in the mood. So, come on gentlemen, I'm blast ing in August and September and October making use of this weather. September's when the university students come back, remember? So, hallelujah. Get ready for that and let's go for it. We're back on the horse. Podcast 69 will be with Craig. Probably we'll record it somewhere in our wilderness expedition, so look out for that next week. But until then, cheers for listening. Thanks for all your support and your patience with my hiatus. Speak to you soon. Torero.