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# Episode 81 Indirect-Direct Game

**Speaker 0:** Podcast 81 with me, Torero, Yad Hidar from Wales. I'm here editing stealth seduction that explains the little lull in YouTube content. You could say behind the scenes frantically, manically, obsessively, but I'm enjoying it. I am editing over fifty hours of infield footage, daygame, dating, including the texting and the lays, all different scenarios. I hope to get that out sometime in November. That's why I'm doing it now. So forgive a bit of silence. I do promise to put out one podcast every week and a few videos here and there. But anyway, that's the name of the game for the next few weeks. Today's podcast topic, one of my favorites, but I don't think I've done a podcast on it. I've written about it in my daygame texting dating relationship frame textbook called Street Hustle. On page 98, I talk about something called indirect direct game hyphenated between the two. Indirect hyphen direct game. So we're not talking about indirect game. We're not talking about direct game. Something in the middle, a sweet spot, a nirvana, a pinnacle of games I will explain. So I'll read out what it says on page 98 of, street hustle. If you have your street hustle next to you, pull it off the shelf, remove the magical cover, open it like the holy bible and let's read together page 98, indirect direct game. The quote at the top says, if you have to explain to her that you're picking her up, then your underlying frame is weak. Close quotation marks. And the text says this, as already mentioned, good game is subtle, implied, and understated. It's about covertly seducing a shop assistant without her colleagues noticing. Number closing a girl while her boyfriend is in the bathroom or getting a stripper's details without CCTV in the club seeing you do it. The pinnacle of game is being able to have a direct sexual masculine vibe communicated non verbally. This indirect direct game is very hard to teach as it only comes from years of hustling in field. It's fluid and under the radar. It goes far beyond the front street stop where you tell a girl you find her attractive. Via sexual swagger, a guy can communicate the exact same thing to the cute barista while buying his coffee. He doesn't have to say a word or appear to do anything at all. Indirect direct game is not about hiding your intent. The guild knows exactly what you want even without you verbalizing it. It's ideal for high pressure environments like the workplace or public transport or where the chance of cock blocking from other males is significant. But this book alone can't teach you this form of game. Only massive amounts of infield experience can. Here endeth the lesson. Thanks be to Street Hustle. Page 98. Get the textbook if you haven't already available from tomterrero.com on, Lulu. Alright. So as that text said, as the quote mentioned, we're not talking about indirect game. You'll remember indirect game from the book, The Game. When people think of PUA, when people think of pickup, they think of an opener which, hides your intent, hides your dick, hides your banana. And the famous one is the opinion opener. Hey girls, can I get get a quick female opinion? People parody parody that. People joke about that. It has its place. Indirect game does have its place. Remember the the book, The Game is about glitzy Los Angeles nightclubs where you're doing a table game, entourage game, social circle game, a complex version of attraction, comfort, seduction, the m three mystery method model. So indirect game certainly works, and I do use it occasionally. Asking a girl, a bland, boring question, purposefully hiding my dick when I'm on a nine hour flight, let's say, and I'm sitting next to her. Or, I'm on a long train journey and, it's very quiet. And it would be uncalibrated, that's the keyword, uncalibrated for me to just flip a stone and go direct or the situation doesn't present itself to go indirect direct, what we're talking about today. Odd times, I do use complete indirect game. It involves acting. It involves hiding your dick. And as we'll talk about, it conveys a weak frame in that most of the time the girl knows what you're doing. It's very lengthy. And the classic difficulty is that it's hard to transition. So most men in the world, this is how they open girls with a with a question. Excuse me, do you have the time? Excuse me, do you know where the nearest Apple store is? Okay. It might be good for your social anxiety. It might be good if you have really high AA. In my first book daygame, I talk about me using pure indirect game for about six months, maybe a bit more and getting laid from it. But, I talk about the downsides as well and that it doesn't cure the nice guy thing. And yet, the girl knows it's weasily, that it's snake seduction. Blah de blah de blah. So this podcast is not about indirect game, Although I'm not completely knocking it, that old adage in the pickup community in the night, it's often better to open indirect in the day. It's better to open direct. So perhaps another time I can do just podcast on pure indirect game. And this podcast is obviously not about direct game, which I spend my life explaining. Going up to girls during the day and saying, hey, you look cute. Hey, you look nice. Hey, you look beautiful. Whatever. Putting your balls on the line. Great for the nice guy. Great for, growing some balls. Great for getting over social anxiety, approach anxiety. Great for traveling, finding out fast if a girl is into you. Okay. All the benefits of direct game, I don't need to preach because you're listening to a daygame podcast and it's based on direct game. So things have moved on a lot since the old indirect form of daygame that was mentioned in Neil Strauss' the game or around that time, 2005, 2006. Guys were trying to run nightgame during the day. So they were running around doing opinion openers and complex group dynamic routines on single girls in museums. And, yeah, the keyword is uncalibrated because not enough people had field tested it. But now fast forward ten years, eleven years, almost twelve years, and daygame has got a lot more lover, a lot more badass, a lot more a lot more bad boy. It's faster, it's dirtier, it's filthier, it's refined, it's minimalistic, it's efficient. I don't need to preach that. If you wanna read about direct daygame, here's the plug. Just buy street hustle. Okay. So the nirvana is this state in the middle. And as I've said, it's what, quote unquote naturals do. Okay. Those odd guys that got really early reference experiences, God knows where, when they were kids, when they were teenagers, they just, learned to not give a fuck, not to put girls on pedestals. They got positive reference experiences. They became cocky, entitled, and, it worked in their favor. Upward spiral of positivity and reference points. And this is how they open girls. So they're not going up to girls and asking where Starbucks is. They're not jumping in front of them or tapping them on the shoulder when they're sitting on a step and telling them they look nice, they're being cocky. So they've got direct subcoms. So their sub communication is very direct. It's very sexual. It's very flirty. It's very dirty. It's very sexually dangerous in a good way. Yeah. Massive sexual undertones. But, the communication on the surface can be pretending to be casual. Okay? So you're pretending you're just talking to her casually, but she knows what's up. It's that I know that you know that I know or you know that I know that you know, if that makes sense. It's at the heart of the secret society and a real player, a real, lover, a real cad, somebody who's fully ingrained, engrossed, a full member of the secret society, this is how they will operate. They will give off this sexual vibe. That's why I said it's what quote unquote naturals do. People, guys that sexualize situations, right, they naturally break rapport. They naturally are cocky and, arrogant and entitled, and they qualify the girl. They naturally accuse her. Right? They flip the script. That's what flirtation means. How many times do I need to say flirtation is breaking rapport? And if you're listening to this podcast like me, I suspect you're a guy who's grown up making rapport. Ninety nine percent of my students suffer from this. You're chronically always making rapport with people, trying to be nice, to build the bridge. And flirtation is, breaking rapport, in a cheeky, cocky way. So you're smirking, you've got the twinkling eyes, It's your tonality. It's the underlying vibe. Think of well, was gonna say some of the the cheesier bonds like Pierce Brosnan when he played Bond. Sean Connery, badass. Daniel Craig, badass. But, you know, those eighties, nineties Bonds, they had some great twinkling eyes, great smirks. Yeah. That it was a bit of a parody of a player, but, like, when I scribbled the line down here. When Bond says to, Halle Berry, when she walks out of the sea, he says, nice view. So it's tonality, it's smirk, it's twinkling eyes, and it's the the innuendo, the double entendre. We shall come back to that. So let's get practical. You're thinking, alright. I kind of understand how a guy can open in an indirect direct way. He's not lying and hiding his dick, but he's not being fully vocal. Nonverbally, he's letting the girl know that, he likes her man to woman. Nonverbally, it's flirty. There's a sexual vibe. Essentially, nonverbally, there's a sexual frame and she knows this. So she blushes, she goes red, she flicks her hair, she loses concentration, she giggles. Right? It's definitely man to woman. It's not like going up to a girl and saying, hey, could you recommend a good coffee shop for me? And having a very logical normal discussion about that. It's clear from somebody watching as well that something's going on but, it's hard to say what it is. That's the plausible deniability in it. This is the cleverness in it. This is the calibration in it. Now, like I said, either you're a player, quote unquote naturally and that just happened. You lucky bastard from your teenage years of banging hotties in your school or you had to learn it, learned intelligence, social intelligence, learned calibration, which is game and field through thousands, tens of thousands of hours of interactions with girls where your sexual frame develops. The usual pattern is you start off indirect like me, then you have this, road to Damascus experience where you think, fuck, all I need to do is be direct. And you run around, seeing how verbally sexual you can be and trying same day lays and faster same day lays in toilets and parks and things and you go full on, the other way and you're like, this is easy. There is no game. I just need to tell girls you wanna fuck. And it's liberating. For the nice guy, that is massively liberating. But what are the downsides of this pure hardcore direct game that all of us know and love? Well, it's good that it filters, but it's also bad that it filters. Yep. Because you're almost a stereotype of a lover, a cad and she's got to make that split second decision sometime. You might be coming across too much as a a lover, as a caricature. It's it's harsh. So the filter can go against you. I've said before, guys that just jump in front of moving girls and say the same thing every time, that is a one trick pony. It's a good trick and I use it endlessly. If there's a hottie walking past me, I shall let her walk past, then I'll run around, front stop her, do the, hey, I just saw you and I think you look nice. It works. It's worked for me hundreds of times, but that's why I say get into coffee shops. Do it in airports. Do it in cafes. Do it in bookstores. By do it, mean approaching girls not having a wank or something weirder. And this requires more calibration and this is why guys don't do it because you need to be more adjusted to IOIs and IODs. You need to be more socially aware. So the more under the radar you can be, the better. And that's why I call my infield product stealth seduction. And that's why I call my textbook street hustle because it's a very clever hustle. Listen to the podcast on secret society where, yeah, the hustle can be against the guilt and that you're getting, quick sex with a hottie and she's not giving, and you don't have to give any, boyfriend relationship stuff. But the hustle, which I enjoy, can also be you and her in on it and everybody else around including her boyfriend and husband and whatever doesn't know. So it's great for girls that are working. It's great for shop assistants. It's great for cabin crew. It's great for promo girls. It's great for girls with boyfriends. It's great for girls at work in high pressure social situations. The girl working on reception in the gym, etcetera etcetera. Right? It's a lot like, gaming strippers where you can't get your phone out in the strip club because of rules and CCTV and her boss. So you need to be a lot cleverer. You can't just be like every other guy. It's a much more three d form of seduction than just the two d. But the disclaimer of this podcast is do indirect game if you have high AA for a few weeks, a few months, whatever. If you've got chronic social anxiety, then move on to direct game, grow some balls, learn how to be direct, go full on verbal direct, it's liberating. And then after one year, two years, three years, hopefully do some of this indirect direct stuff. So let's talk about situations, that come up. Example situations, times I've got laid in the last few years or this year where I've opened in direct direct. Okay? So a situation might present itself. I was talking about this recently. There was a girl in a coffee shop in Toronto in the university campus there. And I had gone in not to do any day game. I'd gone in to buy a coffee. But ahead of me in the queue was a cute girl looking at the muffins trying to decide. And she was kind of holding up the queue and she she turned around to me as if to say, go on, you go first because I'm choosing a muffin. And I said, I opened with decisions, decisions, her life or death. I can see this is a momentous decision. Is it gonna be the oatmeal muffin or is it gonna be the apricot muffin, you know. The million dollar question. And I smirked and smiled and she giggled and she flipped her hair and then we went into stacking and vibing and hook point and number close. Alright. So a situation arose where I didn't ask her a pretend question and hid my dick. I didn't say, hey, excuse me, you look nice. Because that would have been slightly odd at the time and that she was looking at muffins and the girl behind the counter was waiting to take our orders. So we all were in on it with a smirk and a smile and the undertone, teasing her, accusing her. Yep. A girl walked past me in, Poland and she was she looked like she'd been crying. She was wiping something from her eye. I guess something had just gotten into her eye and she was smiling. And instead of letting her go past and then me running around, as she came towards me, I put my hand out and I said, it's okay. Don't cry. Somebody loves you. I wanted to come and say you look very nice. So I opened with indirect directs, then I gave a statement of intent. I went direct because I wanted to carry the conversation on stacking, vibing, hook points, investing number close. There you go. The situation presented itself and I gave off this sexual undertone. So the important thing was she didn't take it seriously that I was saying, you look like you're crying or this is a life and death muffin situation. Guys often misunderstand this that if you repeat my words verbatim, it might not have the same effect. It's the underlying vibe. It's the tonality. It's the way you say it. And this is what's built up from years of doing it in field. I do it if I see a girl yawning. Alright. Again, coming towards me or standing still and you can say, uh-uh No yawning. Five pounds. If she's smiling, if she's giggling, if she's listening to music, if she looks like she's playing Pokemon Go. All these can be opening accusations, you know, before you've even said a compliment. Sometimes you don't need to say the compliment. Often when I'm with a student, I'll take him into a department store to show him this effect that, it's nonverbal rather than verbal key attraction. And I'll say, watch this. And I'll go up to, you know, those girls that are standing around the makeup section. They have to stand in one place and give out a sample or, I don't know, just look pretty. And I'll walk past them, and then I'll do a glance back, and I'll go, uh-uh. No moving. That's where you gotta stand. I just saw you move. I'm gonna call your boss. So accusing, breaking rapport. I'm teasing. She giggles. She goes red. She blushes. And, I say to the student, see, didn't give her a compliment. Didn't have to lie to her, but attraction was generated. Tattoo this on your arm, boys. Attraction is breaking rapport. And I don't mean being a dick and, saying something deeply offensive. It's the way you say it. I saw, a great guy doing this. You know, one of those passport control guys, who is on the last bit of the airport procedure. So, you've gone through security and then, usually just before the gate. If you're, not in Europe, they obviously check your passport or check your ID. And in, international airport, often they don't speak the language. So they open your passport, they look at your photo, they look at you, they look at your photo, they do some checks and then they stamp your passport or whatever. And the guy in Rome Airport, he was a he was a good looking guy but he's very smooth. I could see ahead of me in the queue. If it was a guy, he would just open the ID, check it and then the guy would go through. But if it was a girl, and this is the key point, even if she was an old lady or a mother or she was plump or whatever, he would open her passport, look at her, look at her passport and then very slowly look up to her and drill her with his eyes and smirk as if to say, come on. This is not you in the picture or come on. Can I trust you? But honestly, it was 100% nonverbal. So he just did it with his eyes. It was like a little routine that he must have perfected over years. And one after the other after the other of the girls blushed, went red, giggled. Obviously, he did it more on the hotties. Yeah. He wasn't closing them because that was his job, but it was an amazing indirect direct show of nonverbal game. I again take students often in the beginning of a session into Starbucks or Costa because that's where we have the quick ten minute chat. And when I'm ordering my latte, I say to the student, hey, watch this. And the lady, again, doesn't matter if she's old or, fat or not your type, it doesn't matter. It's hardwired. Try it. She'll say, yes, please. Next, can I take your order? And you look at her and you'll drill her with your eyes and you'll smirk and you'll say, can I have a medium wet latte, please? Or if you're really cheeky, you could say, can I have a big wet flat white? Whatever. And watch her go red because of your voice tonality, because of that innuendo. Break rapport. She says, what do you want? And you can say, I want a bottle of vodka and a couple of strippers, please. Which is as how are you? And you say, I'm living the dream. Just got out of prison. Got the body. Got the blonde. Living the dream. So all these are examples of flirting, teasing. You've seen them in the movies. The problem with movies and TV shows like Bond and Californication is that they're obviously scripted. They're very funny. They're very quick. But the trouble is if you're a player, you've got to think on your feet. So the better that your vibe, the more improvisational you That's why daygame is an art form. The more witty you are, the more experience you have, the more you can do indirect direct game in all these situations. Another good example I saw was, you know, the cabin crew on airlines once they've done the meals and the drinks, they push the duty free trolley down. And this very cocky duty free guy was saying, any duty free, any gifts for yourself, for your nearest and dearest, your family, your partners, your secret lovers, saying that and giggling at the girls, and the girls were loving it. Yeah? Secret society stuff. So, I know that you know that I know, that kind of thing. This year, I, got laid with a waitress in a sushi restaurant. Again, just from this nonverbal stuff, I think she said, how was your meal? And I always go, it was terrible. And they giggle because it's in the delivery. Yep. I got laid using indirect direct game in Iceland, my first lay of the year in Reykjavik with an American girl, a young backpacker girl. And I was walking down the street looking for the entrance to it was a hostel actually. I had a private room in a hostel. And I saw the girl behind me and I was checking the first door and then it wasn't that door, then I was checking the second door and she was still following me. And I just turned around and it was dark and I said to her, I hope you're not following me. I'm gonna have to call the police. Again, delivery, tonality, timing. You can have the same joke on paper and the way one comedian says it can be funny, and the way we say it or you say it can be a doll. So it's in delivery. It's in timing. It's in practice. I've did it on, I've done it on flights with air hostesses. I've slept with, I think, two air hostesses, maybe three. There was a great one on the flight to Dubai. All night, it was a night flight. So there was loads of eye contact going on and breaking of rapport and flirtation without me. Lying indirect or going full direct. There was a Czech waitress in Prague, I think that was last year. Again, with the student after the session debriefing and just showing him how to break rapport. And that waitress kept coming back and coming back and coming back and then you have to number close. So sure. Don't forget that once you've generated attraction, you still have to look for the hook point. Then you have to dial it down and be normal. Let her invest, Do some grounding and take the number. Too many guys, I suspect too many naturals are good at sparking up this indirect direct flirtatious opener and getting attraction, but then they don't take it anywhere. So a b c always be closing unless you're that poor passport guy who can't take the number of every hot girl that walks through in Rome. Alright. Let's get practical, to finish this podcast. Let's think what can you do. If you're already a daygamer, hopefully, you've already gotten over the pure indirect stage. You're not doing that anymore unless it's a really, really, really weird situation. You're not using that as a weasel to do it. So you've gotten over that, and you've done your apprenticeship of a thousand pure direct approaches. And jumping in front of girls, great. Jumping in front of fast moving hot girls, fantastic. That will toughen you up. Put some, hairs on your chest. It's really, really good for the nice guys. So definitely do that. This podcast is not a weasel way to say, you don't have to do direct guys. Because if you're listening to this and you've done less than 500 approaches, you do. Don't take the following advice. If you've done less than 500 approaches, you should be doing full on direct day game and trying some outrageously, direct verbal stuff and fast pulls and, a bit of cheeky dirty gutter game. Yeah? But let's say you've done your a thousand sets and you're calibrated and you're getting a bit bored of direct street game. Hopefully, you've listened to me. The winter months are coming here in the Northern Hemisphere and you're thinking, okay. I'm doing a Starbucks approach today. I'm doing a Whole Foods approach today. I'm doing a bookstore approach today. I'm doing a Victoria's Secret approach today. Yeah. I'm doing a seated girl. I'm doing a weighted girl. I'm doing two girls. All these things are covered on my street hustle videos and obviously in street hustle the textbook. But, here's what I say to students. If you wanna get good at indirect direct game, flirt with everyone. No exceptions. And students say, but boy, it seems like a ways. She wasn't hot, man. I show students flirting with guys. Right? Flirt with, male waiters. Guys, when you're buying your lunch, when you're buying your sandwiches. Flirt with the fat old lady in the supermarket checkout. How do you flirt? I've already said break, rapport in a playful way. Tease them, challenge them, accuse them, qualify them, flip the script. Yeah. And how do you know it's working? Because you look for IOIs. You look for the hook. So with girls, and even guys they kind of blush a little bit scratch their neck play with their hair ask you a question giggle all signs that you're not being a normal boring social robot yep Practice the deep eye contact. Again, with everyone. You're not staring at somebody for one minute, but just try it first for five seconds, then ten seconds. Okay. And you know you're doing it right with a girl. You do it for ten seconds while she's talking and she says, sorry, what? What are you doing? Just because you're drilling her with those eyes or she might go red again. Yeah? Or try it in Starbucks or, your coffee shop of choice, to see if you can get a freebie. Often it works in if you're in Britain, you'll know of Pret a Manger. And in Pret a Manger, they're allowed to give out free coffees and teas to people they like. So if you break rapport with those baristas, you'll often get a free coffee and students are amazed. Practice your voice. So watch a lot of Bond. Practice the low, slow voice with that cheeky little warmth about it. Yeah. A good radio presenter. The great Terry Wogan. If you're in Britain, you'll know of Sir Terry or a lot of those kind of cheesy Radio two presenters. They have this very warm voice which you can tell even though you can't see their face, is a smirk. It's not a cheesy smile. It's a it's a it's a dirty smirk and it's very attractive. Practice misinterpreting. Yep. Turning the tables, flipping the script, I've already said so. British people, we are lucky in our use of, innuendos. Deep and hard and long and wet. Big explosive and wild, etcetera, etcetera. Yeah. Double double entendres, I think, is wrapped up in that as well. Yeah. Going deep inside something. So that is at the heart of British comedy. That is at the heart of, how we talk to our mates. British people are good at being self deprecating or making fun of our friends to show them that we love them. This is all good. This is banter. This is flirtation. And groups, if you can do it with your friends, if you can do it with colleagues and it's nice and under the radar, you're ready for indirect direct game. And lastly, when you're interacting with with girls, see them as all you can eat buffets, I said once on Twitter, rather than these angelic pure statues. So when I look at a girl and she's pretty, there's something about her I like. She doesn't have to be my 10. But when I look at a girl I like, in my mind, I'm thinking, mhmm. Oh yeah. Possibility. Secret society. And I'm looking at her with that with that smirk, with that nod. And I'm not saying anything. And if she's on the same wavelength, she's, in on it too. Right? This is way before language. This is, hardwired and she's in on it. I know that you know that I know. Alright? She knows that I'm not an innocent nice boy. I know that she's not an innocent gentle fragile snowflake and nobody else around knows anything. So we will finish it there saying indirect direct is a mindset. Yep. So real direct is a mindset. It's not this geeky keyboard PUA forum discussion about when to go indirect, when to go direct. That's very binary. People at the pinnacle of game, right? Key, players of the world are using neither indirect or direct. They're using indirect direct under the radar game. That was podcast 81. Who knows where I'll be next week, but cheers for listening. Cheers for downloading this on iTunes or watching on YouTube. Keep grabbing life by the horns and I'll speak to you soon.