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# Episode 87 London Daygame Model 3.0

**Speaker 0:** Podcast 87 with a husky phone sex voice. This is Tom Torero, and this podcast is on the London daygame model upgrade to three point zero, redefining the model. A lot has changed since the early days of daygame, 2009, 2010 through trial and error, through competition, through creativity. It's led to fluidity. Things have come on from the blueprint and girlfriend sequence, date against the machine, ballast putter, all the stuff I've done. Through me putting in the hours and now through lots of other guys putting in the hours, the system's changed. And as I've been editing Stealth Seduction ongoing, I've seen my game because I've had to watch it. I've had to listen to it. Not only the daygame, but the dating, looking at my texting, looking at the pools, what I actually do. So that's what we're gonna talk about today. Why do I still sound so bloody husky? It's because I'm sitting on my sofa in Middle Europe back from my trip to The USA with Craig Cassidy and I blame Craig Cassidy. I blame jetlag, you could say. I blame alcohol. I blame daygame burnout. I blame the residential that I did. Whatever. Just a cocktail of disasters. And in the last podcast with Craig from Las Vegas, you heard us sounding hungover and ill. That was day one of the Vegas trip. And oh, that was recorded on the morning of day two. And we thought, you know, we'll just get over it and improve, but things got worse. I got more and more ill. Craig got more and more fatigued, drunk. And, yeah, the trip was fucking wild, really wild. So on that second day, Craig went to bed. I was still ill. At some point, we got hold of those Santa costumes to make that bad Santa video. If you haven't seen it, I think it's fantastic. It's on my YouTube channel, Bad Santa Las Vegas pickup. And the idea was to shoot that on that second day but Craig was asleep. I wasn't in the mood. I was burning up, very dizzy, very disorientated. I wasn't just having jet lag or hangover. It was the flu. Perhaps I've still got it. See all this sympathy I want when men are ill, we think the end of the world is coming. So what did I do? I went out. Actually, I was just drinking tea all that day, no no alcohol, Doing normal daygame on the strip, collected a few numbers, actually went on a date early in the evening, a proper date with a shy girl drinking tea. Didn't go anywhere. She was too shy. So around 08:30, I was walking back to the Flamingo crossing the road from Caesar's Palace. I was gonna go and get Craig so we could do some gutter game. And then on the crossing, I saw a a beautiful brunette wearing a short skirt and tall boots. She was walking with a strut and I stopped her and yeah. She was a psychiatrist in her mid twenties. She had left her gay friend somewhere and I it was about half eight and I said, what are doing? She said, I'm on my way back to my hotel. I'm in a huff because, you know, my gay friend is off somewhere getting laid. So it was instant date, it was a drink in the wind and then it was a bounce back to flamingo where we made sweet love with the twinkling lights of Las Vegas outside the window. And then I emerged in my room and said to Craig, one all baby, one all in Vegas. So Craig had sobered up a little bit. He was feeling better. We went out, did a bit of gutter game. I left Craig to it, went to bed. Craig, good on him, stayed out, battled. I'll leave him to tell the stories another time. On Vegas day three, our final day there, the Saturday, really, really ill. Like, everything had kicked in. No voice. Oh, by the way, you can hear that lay on stealth seduction. I've got an audio recording of that interaction and the instant date and the pulse, so that's gonna go on as a bonus as well as the one from Santa Monica in Los Angeles. Day three, we were ill and we filmed this Santa video. We got up and we started drinking. We we said, let's just push push through. If you're gonna go out, go out with a bang. That's what we did. So when you watch that video and you see us stumbling around, that is not really that's not really acting. And it's not really drunk even though we were drinking. It it's just fatigue and illness. And we thought, okay, after a few hours, we'll just take the costumes off. It was only a bit of fun based on the tribute to Bad Santa, the first movie, not the second. I can't bring myself to watch it. Apparently, it's it's awful. But the first movie, I'm a big fan of. So if you're having Christmas fatigue, watch Bad Santa. It will make you feel good. Yeah. We were wearing the costumes and we were getting massive IOIs, you know, God bless old school peacocking. Girls were shouting at us, but actually it was filtering because the good girls were avoiding us. Kids were coming up to us going, look mommy, mommy, it's Santa. And nice mommy would be like, oh god, stay away from these awful men. But the bad girls, they would holler like, hey, Santa. Spank me, Santa. They would tell us they've been a naughty girl for Santa, girls would be touching us, wanting to sit on our knee, get spanked. So, yeah, we kept the costumes on. We were on the casino floor doing a bit more filming. Craig opened a girl it was on. We bounced her to a bar wearing these Santa costumes. We bounced her upstairs to our room, almost got laid but didn't, and then back down onto the strip, bounced another girl straight up to the room, got a blow job. It was a crazy evening. I just crashed out totally somewhere around I can't remember. Two or 3AM, Craig's stayed out till three, four, maybe five. Jesus. And then it was a bus from Downtown Vegas to Los Angeles, and then a twelve hour flight, I think, back to London, and then I flew to Europe. So it was nuts. No wonder I sound ill and I I feel shit. I've only myself to blame as my grandmother would say, but I'm recuperating. I'm being a good boy now with tea and honey and a sofa. I'm editing Stealth Seduction. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that it's dragging on. I had such good intentions when I went to America. You know, do a little bit every day, but the residential put a stop to that. Daygame in California put a stop to that. And then obviously in Vegas, I didn't do anything. So I'm making up for lost time now. I am trying my best. But what stealth seduction editing has shown me over fifty hours of video and audio, it showed me what I actually do. It showed me the London daygame model three point zero, the upgrade from what I used to teach in girlfriend sequence or even badass buddha. Things are changing. Now that's not to say the fundamentals have changed. They will never change. Gravity will always be gravity And the way you get a girl into bed will always follow that three part what I call universal blueprint in street hustle. Yeah? It's as old as time. Mystery was the first to define it in Mystery Method. First is attraction, then she hooks, then you do comfort or rapport, and then in isolation, you do seduction. Three part model. That's why it's called the m three model. Attraction, comfort, seduction. That will never change. And the fundamentals of daygame will never change. You go up to a girl you don't know. You be honest with her. That's the opener. You do the attraction bit, which is the stacking and the vibing. She hooks. You do the rapport bit where she invests. You take her number. You take her on a date. Little bit more rapport. Rapport. Rapport. Rapport until you've got trust. That allows for compliance. And then you seduce her. Try to get her into isolation. You escalate. Verbally, physically, you are escalating in a type of location. These are London daygame model essentials, fundamentals and they will never change. Okay? Biology is biology. Guys often email me and say, how is everything changing with the internet or with apps or with this article or girls know about daygame. And I always say, just trust biology. Like your digestion, like your digestive system hasn't changed or the way your circulation hasn't really changed throughout the history of of humankind. Just put trust in the mating system. Right? Men like women, women like men, that's how babies are made. Attraction is attraction. Trust is trust. Seduction is seduction. So the fundamentals will never change. So for this podcast, if you're a beginner, if you've never done any daygame, then I want you to watch the beginner's guide to daygame that I've put on YouTube that I first spoke about in date against the machine. I've spoken about it in all my books. Learn the fucking basics. Alright? Learn the tools of the job. Don't try to deviate from them until you've got them on autopilot. Autopilot is important because it stops you freezing up, getting nervous, it mitigates the adrenaline and the approach anxiety. So learn to front stop, learn to do the different stops, learn to stack, that's the hard bit. Yep. Learn to break rapport. Nice guys make rapport, players break rapport. Break rapport, that triggers attraction. How do you break rapport? With a smile on your face. You tease and you challenge and you role play, you tell stories. Learn to spot the topic, learn to spot the hook point, learn to dial it down, learn to get her to do the work. How do you do that? Well, listen to conversation ninja, open questions, stealth questions, qualifying questions, vacuum. Yeah? Spotlight, keep it on her, not you, ninety ten rule. Learn to close, be a salesman. That will never change. A b c, always be closing. Learn to overcome common shit tests. I have to go. I have a boyfriend. What do you want? Do you do this all the time? Why don't you give me your number? Okay? If you don't do that, then you're lazy. All the information is there for free. When I started, none of that information was there. And you know what? Without sounding arrogant, I never asked anybody for help. Now, I don't mind helping guys that put in the work, but if you're just sitting there, you can't be bothered to even find out the fundamentals and go out and try it, then I'm sorry. It's not looking good for your success, not only with daygame but in life. Alright? I never asked for help. I went out and I tested. How do I trigger attraction? How do I dial it down? How do I verbally escalate? How do I physically escalate? What happens if I do this? Don't write it on a forum. Go and try it. That's my nagging about taking action and learning the basics. But what do I do? What is this upgrade? Is this just a marketing ploy? Has the daygame model really changed? Well, yeah. If you buy stealth seduction or you watch Stealth Seduction or next year I'm gonna be giving a talk about, the London daygame model three point zero and the changes. It's really for upper intermediate and advanced guys. Yes. You can see on stealth seduction that I don't do just the front stop. Front stop is great to learn but I stop girls in a whole host of ways. Now, you're a beginner, yeah, learn the front stop because it's it's dominant, you grow balls, hairs on the chest, puts you in lover mode. Good. But once you've got that swagger, once you've got that conviction and belief, you can stop a girl any way you want. I do stationary girls. I do seated girls. I do girls in cafes. I do girls in shops. I do waitresses. Yep. That's all in self deduction. Stacking. When you're beginner, you learn one stack and it's pretty bland. You do geography or you do what she's doing right now or you do job, you say the same tease, you say the same challenge. And yeah, in style seduction, you see me doing robotic teases, You see me doing safety net stacks, but you see me improvising. I do what in old game is called multi threading. I don't just chuck out one fishing line. I chuck out five. Yeah? Stack. Stack. Stack. Stack. Mystery describes it really well where you start one and then stop, you start another and stop that, maybe you go back to the first one then you start another and you go back to the second one. It keeps it fluid, it keeps it open, it's very clever and it allows the girl to choose one and she's interested about the others which you can revisit. Can you do that if you're a beginner? No. But if you know how to stack, you can do that. Getting the topic, do I do the formula when I think of France? I think of x y z. No. You obviously learn to improvise. On the fly, you should be able to tell a story about anything she says and in that story, there should be role play and challenging and teasing and qualification. There should be sexual spikes. Sure. I've got some go to safety net stories and they'll be in stealth seduction but a lot of it is on the fly. Will the basic structure give you that? No. But should you be doing it after one year, two years? Yes. Now a big difference to the model is obviously most pickup coaches should be telling you don't ask her questions. Certainly not till she's hooked. That's the old adage. Don't ask her a question until she's hooked, till she's asked you a question. That stops the hairdresser interview questions. But if you look at a lot of my sets and a lot of pickup instructor sets, you'll see them asking questions early on. Well, what the fuck? Is this breaking fundamental rules? No. Because there's different types of questions. I call them hammer questions or nail questions. Right? A nail question is weak and that she's gonna whack into you. It's supplicating. It's needy. Where are you from? What are you doing right now? What is your name? But a hammer question is cocky. It's arrogant. You're the interviewer, not the interviewee. You don't give a shit. You're saying, come on, justify yourself. So you can say, what are you doing right now? You can say that weekly, what are you doing right now? Or you can say it very very arrogantly. Yeah? Can't really do it with this voice but you know what I mean. So what are you doing right now? It's putting her on the spot. So I ask a lot of hammer questions. Do I do that before the hook point? Sometimes yes. Do I qualify her before the hook point? Sometimes yes. Now that's not good game practice. A beginner should not start to qualify a girl before she's hooked because she'll walk away just thinking, what the fuck? But if you present yourself as high value, if you really are high value hopefully, you know, fake it till you make it and then you are. If you really are a hustler, if you really are a player, if you really are a traveler, if you really have got solid frame, which happens after two, three, four, five years of game, then fuck yes, you'll stick around. You can just put out your hand and say, hello. Right? Now, if a beginner puts out his hand and says, hello, then it's weak, it's supplicating, it lacks lacks frame. You can get away with a lot more. It switches from verbal to nonverbal, you can get away with eyes, you can get away with going in closer, there's a lot more physicality. So in stealth seduction, you see me being a lot more physical, very quickly on instant dates and on dates. And now for a beginner, again, that's not congruent. That would be weird. Alright? It wouldn't have the swagger. When it lacks mojo, it's suspicious. It's quote unquote creepy. Right? It's not socially calibrated because the beginner or even the intermediate, he's not spotting the IODs, the indicators of disinterest, and he's plowing when he shouldn't be plowing. That's a big part of the change to the model, when to plow, when not to plow. When I teach beginners and intermediates, you say, always plow. Always try to close. Always be persistent. If she says she has a boyfriend, always try to close. If she goes to walk off, keep going. One more thing before you go. When you're intermediate and above, because of your calibration, you can read if that's an IOD or if that's just a little shit test. Yeah? So I can usually pretty well tell if the boyfriend thing is an excuse, if it's a brush off or if it's just a shit test, if she doesn't have a boyfriend, if she wants me to carry on. Same with silence. Is the silence awkward and she's praying I go away or is the silence because she's nervous or it's sexy silence or it's a test. So that's why the model I say is polyphonic. I spoke about that in Badass Buddha a couple of years ago and in Torero Travels. It's fluid. Polyphony is Bach, yeah, where you have different voices. So listen to preludes and fugues of Johann Sebastian Bach. You got the the tenor voice, the bass voice, you've got things weaving in and out forming chords. So think attraction, comfort and seduction as different lines of melody that combine. And sometimes, in some situations with some girls you need more attraction, sometimes you need more comfort, sometimes you need more seduction. Can you tell that if you're a beginner? No. But you feel it. It's clutch control as I've said. If you've done it long enough, you can combine them. So sometimes my sets look like I open in seduction. Sometimes my sets look like I open in comfort. Sometimes I do more teasing. Sometimes I do more challenging. Sometimes I do no teasing and challenging. How do you explain all that? Tricky. But watching Stealth Seduction, you'll you'll get an idea of different girls, different vibes, different feelings, different situations. I do a lot of something I'm most proud of for my contribution to the community with this. I do a lot of elephant in the room, calling out awkwardness and pushing it even further. I do a lot of fourth wall, something I defined based on the fourth wall in theater where the actors talk to the audience. They break the illusion. So with a girl, I'll call out awkwardness and she's like, that's clever. This guy gets it. And then on the date or the instant date, I'll fourth wall it and I'll call out what we're doing in real time. And you can see girls going, that is fucking clever. This guy not only gets social intelligence, but he gets chodes and he gets nice guys and he gets creepiness and he and he's cocky. This is this is cocky. I like it. Yep. When do I do dates? Common question. I don't. Again, a beginner should do eye dates because it's face to face time with a girl, good practice for dating skills and all the basics. I'll only run an iDate instant date if I'm going for the same day lay. So if I'm talking to her on the street or wherever and I smell that it's same day, I push for the eye date, then a bounce, then a bounce home, whatever. You see that in stealth seduction. But eye dates statistically make no difference to whether she texts me back or not. Why? I've made a video on it. That eye dates are often a trap. They're a comfort trap. So the nice guy just gets worse on an eye date because, he talks about me, me, me, me, me, comfort, comfort, gay best friend, boyfriend box, she's bored, she doesn't text you back. So in a way, if you're the player, seven minutes, man of mystery on the street, leave on a high, she'll text you back. Yep. Same with time length. So what's the traditional length of a set if you've listened to Tom Torero long enough from 2010? We say seven to ten minutes. If it's under five minutes, we say high chance of a flake. This daygame is out there that I coached doing two minute sets. Right? Now that's not recommended. That's called find the yes girl. Not good game, shoddy game. It usually takes two minutes for the stacking and vibing and then rapport investment takes three or four minutes, and then you close maybe an extra minute or two, seven, eight minutes. That's the average set length. But for my sets this year and you see in stealth seduction, sometimes I bulldoze her, like bull in a china shop, grabbing knife by the horns, five minute sets, four minute sets, but supercharged, very sexual. Or two minute sets, she's not hooking, and I walk away. I don't plow. That's coming back to letting some girls go, letting some fish off the hook because I know, I can feel that it's not going anywhere. But a beginner, get that length in. Alright? Always try to close, always try to bed it down, always try to ground the set. I call it grounding. Yeah? Always try to flip the script, get her investing. Now, on a on a date, what do we normally say? Don't talk too much. Make her do the work. And in style seduction, they'll hear me talking on dates a lot. I'm kind of talking about myself but making the topic about her and again, I'm bulldozing her because whereas in the past, they're all kind of made up DHV travel stories, now they're real. So she gives me a place in the world, I can talk about it. She gives me an experience, I can talk about it. She talks about other hot girls, I can back it up. Yeah. So your frame really becomes solid and spotlight is still on her but you'll see me bamboozling girls, bulldozing girls, crush in their frame, you could say with the lover frame. Big differences. Let's move on to the dating. If you remember my girlfriend sequence, you'll remember one date, two dates, three dates, adventure bubble. It's all true. It's all good, especially if you're starting out and you're in boyfriend daygame mode. You wanna take it slow. You don't want to, miscalibrate and fuck up the escalation. You're gonna need maybe a second day of a bit of adventure, cycling, boat trip, remember all that stuff from my first book. But if you see me in style seduction, you'll see that I do usually one date, one venue, and one drink. Is that recommended if you're starting out? No. I skipped out the text in them, but I should have said learning texting. Yeah. You learn how to to ping and construct photo pings and even little audio pings that I talk about in Street Hustle. You take it slow, you know when she's on the hook, when she's not on the hook. But if you look at my texting from this here, which is all in stealth seduction, it's very fast. So initial text which we call the feeler, she replies and sometimes date request. I just go for it. Why? Because I've got volume, I've got abundance. This is not be me being arrogant, this is just true. When you collect a lot of numbers or you travel to different cities, you're living in abundance so you simply don't care. You can move on to the next girl. So have I lost girls because of this? Yes. But if the day game's good, if it's supercharged, you know from the way she responds to your feeler message if she's gonna come out, so I push hard. She comes on the date, like I said, one venue. I don't even change venues anymore. I go straight to the cocktail bar. I might even just go straight to the couch or straight to the bar stools at the bar. I might do two different seats in one venue. I might do two drinks. Some of the girls in stealth seduction, it is two dates. You see me do multiple venues as well. I think there's a couple of lays where it's three dates. I can't remember exactly, but you'll see. But I've condensed it. I'm pushing it. I'm red lining it. Right? Yes. I sometimes burn them. Yes. I lose sometimes because it's high risk, high reward. But when when you've done this for long enough, you almost get bored of the texting and the dating. So so pushing yourself is good. As my friend Rob used to say, unless you crash the car, you'll never know how fast you can go. So unless you go right up to the line, a little bit over the red line, you'll never know how fast you can go. A technical thing that I do or rather don't do on dates is that I don't really kiss them. Now again, a beginner should be on the date learning verbal escalation, physical escalation, the kiss, and the bounce home. I don't kiss him. I like to keep the tension and my aim as I spoke about in the endgame podcast is not a kiss. It's not a nice date. It's to get her in my apartment. When she's in my apartment, then I kiss her. One of the problems this year, when she's in in my apartment, I've been too pull pull pull. Yep. Too much badass, not enough Buddha. Too much intent as they'd say in America, not enough freedom from outcome because I'm traveling, because I'm in a city for two days, because I've got abundance, because I'm with a student, I've just gotta get the job done. So next year, I need to have a bit more breathing space in my sets. Yeah? I need to back off a bit more, enjoy it a bit more, slow down a bit more like I used to. Enjoy the dates. Go on a fucking bicycle or a riverboat trip. Yeah? Add in the adventure bubble once again. Let her come to me because I've gone to the opposite extreme of super fast escalation, enjoying gutter game, enjoying same day lays, going wild wild wild, and losing a lot of nice quality girls as I as I said in my statistics post for 2016, which is on my blog. I think I lost 10 girls in the bedroom where, you know, there's half nakedness and we're making out and I didn't have sex with her and that's a lot. And why is that? That's not because of a lack of trying, that's because of too much pulling and the girl feels that and that that that indicates low value or lower value, you know, why is this guy so desperate? So for me, backing off, I've I've enjoyed part of the the new model. It's definitely a lot more royal flush, a lot more not just non reactivity, but a lot more teacher. Here's the line, stop. That's the royal flush. Listen to that. I've given a podcast on that and it's in Street Hustle and you'll hear me do it lots of times in Stealth Seduction. When I'm a bit tired of the games, I'll call it out. It's extreme fourth walling, elephant in the rooming. You say, look, stop. You're behaving like a teenager. Right? I don't like your games. I like you but this is weird. You're making me feel weird. Just go. High risk, high reward. It's worked for me but she might just walk out your apartment and you'll never see her again. I've done that this year. Again, it's too much pulling, it's too much trying to be badass, too much of the player. So next year, I need to breathe and I also need to breathe in terms of my health. I can't record anymore of this podcast without having another cup of tea. Next week's podcast will be a Christmasy one. I will be having a special guest on and we shall be reviewing his year and we shall be talking about how his game has changed, moving from tools, the London model tools to principles. But that was just a glimpse of the London daygame model three point zero, the upgrade. You could say one point zero was Mystery Method on the street. Two point zero was the beginning of the London daygame model in in London 2011, 2012. And since last year, since this year, a lot has changed for me in how I do it. So this is my three point zero. And next year, I'll give a seminar talk, maybe in New York, maybe in London, where I shall really go through, these changes in a lot of detail and give you a lot more practical out of game stuff, what I do. If you buy stealth seduction, you'll see me doing it. But if you want me to explain it properly, then, that will be next year, the upgrade. But like I said, the disclaimer is if you're new to this, well, delete this podcast. Go back to the fundamentals. Go back to the beginning. Go back to attraction, hook, comfort, seduction. Learn the London daygame model. Open, stack, vibe, invest, close. Learn verbal escalation. Learn physical escalation. With a student on Skype last night, he'd been doing it for years, but I said to him, well, give me some teases or give me some stacks that you use. And he said, I don't know. I just try to improvise. No. No. No. So I say to all my live students, well, they're all alive, but you know what I mean in field, learn three teases, Learn three challenges. Learn three spikes. Learn three qualifying questions. On the date, learn three verbal escalation things. On the date, learn to do three physical escalation things. Learn to seed. Learn what you can do in your apartment. Right? Don't leave anything to chance but once that's in place, you're gonna upgrade your system. That was podcast 87. Ho ho ho. Christmas is coming. I shall speak to you in a week's time. Ta da.